Her husband was the one who needed to step up, because he's her HUSBAND. They took vows. Anders actions, OTOH, I see as unforgivable. He could have given her space AND said "I'm not that easy to get rid of, I'll be here when you're ready." Instead, he was cruel. Giving the tags back? *shudder*
I'm willing to give ground on this. It's certainly a solid platform to work from. I think we see it differently because I don't believe he's leaving forever - you know, to me, the tags were a sign to Kara that she'd stepped over a line without stooping to personal threats or violence. But you're right that we have no proof that he's not gone forever and he did leave pretty quickly. Then again, I also think it was maybe the smartest thing he could have done.
As in, I think given what happened to her, the last thing Kara needs is a husband, and the thing she most needs is a parent. So I'm not necessarily giving Anders credit for his actions because perhaps they were for totally different reasons - maybe he didn't know this - but I do think that he would have struggled to get through to her.
Adama, other subtextual relationships aside, is her boss. And his loyalty is to the fleet, above anyone he may "favor". He got through to her the only way he could,
But the problem is, even as her boss I don't condone violence as a method of control. Also, I'd argue that when you say things like, "You're like a daughter to me," that aspect of the relationship ceases to be subtextual. The other problem is that I didn't necessarily see his behaviour towards Kara as solely based in loyalty to the fleet. It was personal because with Adama, everything's personal. The favouritism aspect is coming into play here because if Kara was Kat or Racetrack or even Helo, he couldn't have used the "I'll disown you," card - he couldn't have handled the situation that way, and he probably wouldn't have tried (though I'm sure he'd have laid the smack down!)
and it was very ugly and harsh, but- he needed his warrior back. And he got it.
This is really the part of the whole thing that fascinates me. Because you're absolutely right on this. His actions do ground Kara and turn her back into a warrior. And he does need that. The fleet needs it. In a really twisted sense, Kara needs it. But I just find the methods and the possible subtext of why, totally dark and fascinating. Which I actually really respect that if it's intentional, and if it's not, as long as they never let me know that, I'll still be happy to sit here in my corner awed by the fact that they went there!
Anyways, thanks for commenting - I always love to get comments and it's goot to be challenged on your opinions. :)
Also, FWIW? You were the total opposite of rude in Jenny O's Lj.
Thank you, that's worth quite a lot because honestly? That reaction I was really not expecting and kind of...threw me. So I really appreciate knowing my comments didn't come across that way to others. :)
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Anders actions, OTOH, I see as unforgivable. He could have given her space AND said "I'm not that easy to get rid of, I'll be here when you're ready." Instead, he was cruel. Giving the tags back? *shudder*
I'm willing to give ground on this. It's certainly a solid platform to work from. I think we see it differently because I don't believe he's leaving forever - you know, to me, the tags were a sign to Kara that she'd stepped over a line without stooping to personal threats or violence. But you're right that we have no proof that he's not gone forever and he did leave pretty quickly. Then again, I also think it was maybe the smartest thing he could have done.
As in, I think given what happened to her, the last thing Kara needs is a husband, and the thing she most needs is a parent. So I'm not necessarily giving Anders credit for his actions because perhaps they were for totally different reasons - maybe he didn't know this - but I do think that he would have struggled to get through to her.
Adama, other subtextual relationships aside, is her boss. And his loyalty is to the fleet, above anyone he may "favor". He got through to her the only way he could,
But the problem is, even as her boss I don't condone violence as a method of control. Also, I'd argue that when you say things like, "You're like a daughter to me," that aspect of the relationship ceases to be subtextual. The other problem is that I didn't necessarily see his behaviour towards Kara as solely based in loyalty to the fleet. It was personal because with Adama, everything's personal. The favouritism aspect is coming into play here because if Kara was Kat or Racetrack or even Helo, he couldn't have used the "I'll disown you," card - he couldn't have handled the situation that way, and he probably wouldn't have tried (though I'm sure he'd have laid the smack down!)
and it was very ugly and harsh, but- he needed his warrior back. And he got it.
This is really the part of the whole thing that fascinates me. Because you're absolutely right on this. His actions do ground Kara and turn her back into a warrior. And he does need that. The fleet needs it. In a really twisted sense, Kara needs it. But I just find the methods and the possible subtext of why, totally dark and fascinating. Which I actually really respect that if it's intentional, and if it's not, as long as they never let me know that, I'll still be happy to sit here in my corner awed by the fact that they went there!
Anyways, thanks for commenting - I always love to get comments and it's goot to be challenged on your opinions. :)
Also, FWIW? You were the total opposite of rude in Jenny O's Lj.
Thank you, that's worth quite a lot because honestly? That reaction I was really not expecting and kind of...threw me. So I really appreciate knowing my comments didn't come across that way to others. :)