Oh, never worry about walls-of-text with me; I tend to be more wordy than most people, so.
I think I was generally a lot less...politically aware in terms of non-feminist issues at the time I read it so that's not something I either caught or remember? But also, um, I realize that a lot of characters I like tend to be socially/financially privileged people with those views. Doesn't mean that I don't see their issues, just that...I sort of really have a thing for women aware of their advantages and willing to use them (since fiction SO often throws women at us that we're supposed to like because we feel bad for them. Sympathy (rather than admiration, as is the case with male characters) as the main point of connection with female characters). Sigh, I just get really iffy over heroines I consider to be feminist spouting anti-women stuff. I LOVE LAURA ROSLIN, but I still haven't forgiven her for passing pro-life laws. I mean, I know *she* is pro-choice and did it for the FUTURE. But her reasons seemed very short-sighted and badly researched, so I am bitter (oh, the days when that was my biggest issue with BSG.;)
The rotating cast of "Fables" probably also made it easier for me to drop it because by the time things were starting to offend me, characters I liked were also being shifted to the background. But Snow White running Fabletown was a huge point of investment for me, as was the Snow/Bigby relationship before it became something where Snow was promising to love and OBEY him, sigh. And then Beauty never really took over to that extent.
I appreciate the involvement of Arabian Fables in the Fabletown war, but I wish their characterization had not been reduced to a joke. I could've overlooked them? But my main issues with that is that I was very disturbed by how "Fables" took one of the most feminist fairy tales featuring a woman of color and rewrote that story to feature Snow in her place. And instead of writing the WoC out entirely, rewrote her back into the story in such a way that Snow becomes her mentor/teacher, so her agency/story is TAKEN away and given to a white woman, who then is placed in a position where she can teach a woman of color something she should already know. GAH. It really brought the weird race/gender intersectionality/hierarchy issues to the surface for me, and it was very uncomfortable. And then it made me realize how all of the fairy tales, regardless of their origins, were now populated with white people.
BUT. I am actually glad you discovered "Fables." I actually almost recommended it to you a while back when you started posting about your love for "Once Upon a Time." Not that they're the same in any way, but because you read comics and "Fables" is a superior and more deconstructive take on fairy tales. But I am always reluctant in reccing things that may have failed in some areas because I somehow feel that their failings reflects MY FAIL in liking them. *headdesk*
I don't know ANYTHING about the writer in the real life except for his politics that come across on the page and that he said that he wanted to GUN DOWN the fangirls demanding Stephanie Brown's resurrection. Which, GAH. Given how much Stephanie Brown has sort of become the symbol of feminism within the comics community, that's just more disdain directed our way. I *really* hate him.
And then I think to myself, is this what it's like to be a fan of Supernatural? O.O *dies* I...don't think "Supernatural" *has* any positive qualities? This is probably closer to being a fan of "The Vampire Diaries?" Where there are lots of women who are awesome, but it's so, so deeply problematic that you wonder why you're still watching despite all the issues.
I am saving the Totenkinder post to read when I am a bit more awake. :)
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I think I was generally a lot less...politically aware in terms of non-feminist issues at the time I read it so that's not something I either caught or remember? But also, um, I realize that a lot of characters I like tend to be socially/financially privileged people with those views. Doesn't mean that I don't see their issues, just that...I sort of really have a thing for women aware of their advantages and willing to use them (since fiction SO often throws women at us that we're supposed to like because we feel bad for them. Sympathy (rather than admiration, as is the case with male characters) as the main point of connection with female characters). Sigh, I just get really iffy over heroines I consider to be feminist spouting anti-women stuff. I LOVE LAURA ROSLIN, but I still haven't forgiven her for passing pro-life laws. I mean, I know *she* is pro-choice and did it for the FUTURE. But her reasons seemed very short-sighted and badly researched, so I am bitter (oh, the days when that was my biggest issue with BSG.;)
The rotating cast of "Fables" probably also made it easier for me to drop it because by the time things were starting to offend me, characters I liked were also being shifted to the background. But Snow White running Fabletown was a huge point of investment for me, as was the Snow/Bigby relationship before it became something where Snow was promising to love and OBEY him, sigh. And then Beauty never really took over to that extent.
I appreciate the involvement of Arabian Fables in the Fabletown war, but I wish their characterization had not been reduced to a joke. I could've overlooked them? But my main issues with that is that I was very disturbed by how "Fables" took one of the most feminist fairy tales featuring a woman of color and rewrote that story to feature Snow in her place. And instead of writing the WoC out entirely, rewrote her back into the story in such a way that Snow becomes her mentor/teacher, so her agency/story is TAKEN away and given to a white woman, who then is placed in a position where she can teach a woman of color something she should already know. GAH. It really brought the weird race/gender intersectionality/hierarchy issues to the surface for me, and it was very uncomfortable. And then it made me realize how all of the fairy tales, regardless of their origins, were now populated with white people.
BUT. I am actually glad you discovered "Fables." I actually almost recommended it to you a while back when you started posting about your love for "Once Upon a Time." Not that they're the same in any way, but because you read comics and "Fables" is a superior and more deconstructive take on fairy tales. But I am always reluctant in reccing things that may have failed in some areas because I somehow feel that their failings reflects MY FAIL in liking them. *headdesk*
I don't know ANYTHING about the writer in the real life except for his politics that come across on the page and that he said that he wanted to GUN DOWN the fangirls demanding Stephanie Brown's resurrection. Which, GAH. Given how much Stephanie Brown has sort of become the symbol of feminism within the comics community, that's just more disdain directed our way. I *really* hate him.
And then I think to myself, is this what it's like to be a fan of Supernatural? O.O
*dies* I...don't think "Supernatural" *has* any positive qualities? This is probably closer to being a fan of "The Vampire Diaries?" Where there are lots of women who are awesome, but it's so, so deeply problematic that you wonder why you're still watching despite all the issues.
I am saving the Totenkinder post to read when I am a bit more awake. :)