Yeah, I guess I'm a lot less familiar with DC-as-DC! And my reaction to some of that diversification was 'why aren't they doing these under Vertigo?', so I am probably more dismissive than I should be.
It occurs to me now that my perspective is very coloured by Vertigo doing better in NZ than DC proper. (The direct market here is expensive and has a limited distribution here. Vertigo does better in the book trade than superhero comics, so they're actually more accessible. She says, without any sales figures whatsoever. But even in my local comic store, Vertigo comics are placed more prominently than superhero comics.)
I don't think it'd be Wildstorm characters, though?
You're right, that was me misremembering. It was CrossGen, I don't know why I thought it was Wildstorm :-/ There was Sigil, and Mystic, and Ruse. I'd thought there were others I didn't get but now I check I did apparently buy them all *hollow laughter*.
but they might also have lost regular superhero comic readers
Probably this is my tendency to underestimate the value of superhero comic readers in other parts of the world!
I remember being put off by Minx because I felt it was ghettoising in a way that Vertigo or Paradox Press weren't?
I was put off by the implication that it was something new, that they and other publishers weren't already publishing comics that appealed to teenage girls – but then, I was a teenage girl who already went to comic stores, and they were really trying to get Minx picked up in the book trade. So the approach makes sense to me in that regard. And it's not as if I didn't read them anyway :-/
It's a shame that the quality of the Minx comics they put out was so variable. Like, I am an Andi Watson fan, but I would not recommend his Minx comic to anybody.
Although I guess the difficulty is that those conversations very often overlap.
Yeah – I can't really dig into my Vertigo stack and say, 'look, here is My Faith in Frankie, a charming comic by a big-name author, which resolves its love triangle with canon poly – except that it ditches the "bad boy" and lets the heroine reciprocate her best (girl) friend's feelings instead!' – not when people are talking about superheroes. But it is still a thing that DC published! A thing that people say they want! (I am delighted to discover it is actually available digitally now, so maybe I should start pushing it on people after all.)
I don't care about female Thor, why won't anyone talk to me about the time there was a teenage lesbian John Constantine? ('Because it was three issues of a series that never got a complete release in trade and you were the only one who liked it, Cara.' ;_;)
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It occurs to me now that my perspective is very coloured by Vertigo doing better in NZ than DC proper. (The direct market here is expensive and has a limited distribution here. Vertigo does better in the book trade than superhero comics, so they're actually more accessible. She says, without any sales figures whatsoever. But even in my local comic store, Vertigo comics are placed more prominently than superhero comics.)
I don't think it'd be Wildstorm characters, though?
You're right, that was me misremembering. It was CrossGen, I don't know why I thought it was Wildstorm :-/ There was Sigil, and Mystic, and Ruse. I'd thought there were others I didn't get but now I check I did apparently buy them all *hollow laughter*.
but they might also have lost regular superhero comic readers
Probably this is my tendency to underestimate the value of superhero comic readers in other parts of the world!
I remember being put off by Minx because I felt it was ghettoising in a way that Vertigo or Paradox Press weren't?
I was put off by the implication that it was something new, that they and other publishers weren't already publishing comics that appealed to teenage girls – but then, I was a teenage girl who already went to comic stores, and they were really trying to get Minx picked up in the book trade. So the approach makes sense to me in that regard. And it's not as if I didn't read them anyway :-/
It's a shame that the quality of the Minx comics they put out was so variable. Like, I am an Andi Watson fan, but I would not recommend his Minx comic to anybody.
Although I guess the difficulty is that those conversations very often overlap.
Yeah – I can't really dig into my Vertigo stack and say, 'look, here is My Faith in Frankie, a charming comic by a big-name author, which resolves its love triangle with canon poly – except that it ditches the "bad boy" and lets the heroine reciprocate her best (girl) friend's feelings instead!' – not when people are talking about superheroes. But it is still a thing that DC published! A thing that people say they want! (I am delighted to discover it is actually available digitally now, so maybe I should start pushing it on people after all.)
I don't care about female Thor, why won't anyone talk to me about the time there was a teenage lesbian John Constantine? ('Because it was three issues of a series that never got a complete release in trade and you were the only one who liked it, Cara.' ;_;)
/now I am just rambling and I will stop.