Soooo just finished up the Pegasus/Res Ship trilogy last night and, considering our discussion here, had a lot of thoughts:
1. Lee. Back then, I was all "Geez Lee grow some balls!" but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and see more and more that he is a lot like Kara in his need for love from his parent. Adama seems to be a loving father, but we know his love is not entirely unconditional. I don't know anything about their family history, but there's an obvious rift there that Adama seems to keep trying to cross, but then pushes Lee away whenever Lee dares defy him -- even though Lee is quite often correct. The latest episode and the one following has a big confrontation and divide between the two. Could this be the final blow between them? *cue ominous music*
2. The way Cain was handled bugged me and still does. I understand that her methods were iffy (read: ok bitch stop shooting people!) when it came to abandoning the civilians and shooting people who disobeyed, but Kara's eugoogoly was so very true. In a time of war, it's what needed to be done. The fact that she did not give the order to terminate Adama afterall makes me believe that things could have worked out between them all. That she *could* have compromised on some level and come to see that survival was also about protecting the civilians, not abandoning them.
However, when it comes to dealing with the Cylons directly, that would have been a huge issue. She would never have allowed New Caprica to happen (as in, she would never have permitted them to colonize, believing rightly that the Cylons would return, but also because she would lose her power.) Athena certainly wouldn't have existed anymore.
So I suppose, in the end, she did need to be removed from command. She did not accept the political (and certainly not the compassionate) side of dealing with an enemy (much less her own people). Even one that destroyed so much. At the end of every war, it is the politicians and the kinder hearts who meet to sign the peace treaties. Cain would never have allowed any such thing. I'm not saying the Cylons wouldn't continue to try to pull off a New Caprica. I'm saying that Cain would never ever possibly consider them as anything more than machines to be destroyed, while Team BSG has come to appreciate them as more -- which is actually a far wiser course of action in war and peace: Know Thine Enemy.
Of course, I spent much of all three episodes pointing at Rosama (yes, I did it, I have Couple!named them. Special place in hell for me!) and yelling "Hypocrites!"
3. Now, more to the point ... Kara obviously had a lot of respect for Cain. And when she led the attack, she was the Kara that I could really like. Strong, mature, confident and determined. She would have done well under Cain's command. Why? Because Cain offered her both the harsh discipline she understood and needed, but the pride, responsibility and acceptance she craved. When Cain looked at her and said "I am very proud of you," it meant so much more to me now that I've seen Maelstrom.
Would she have shot her? I actually believe she would have. Not because she was ordered to by Adama (because I don't think she ultimately understood why it was necessary), but because of Cain's own words. It would have been dishonourable to Cain not to follow through.
Kara and her many parents.
1. Lee. Back then, I was all "Geez Lee grow some balls!" but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and see more and more that he is a lot like Kara in his need for love from his parent. Adama seems to be a loving father, but we know his love is not entirely unconditional. I don't know anything about their family history, but there's an obvious rift there that Adama seems to keep trying to cross, but then pushes Lee away whenever Lee dares defy him -- even though Lee is quite often correct. The latest episode and the one following has a big confrontation and divide between the two. Could this be the final blow between them? *cue ominous music*
2. The way Cain was handled bugged me and still does. I understand that her methods were iffy (read: ok bitch stop shooting people!) when it came to abandoning the civilians and shooting people who disobeyed, but Kara's eugoogoly was so very true. In a time of war, it's what needed to be done. The fact that she did not give the order to terminate Adama afterall makes me believe that things could have worked out between them all. That she *could* have compromised on some level and come to see that survival was also about protecting the civilians, not abandoning them.
However, when it comes to dealing with the Cylons directly, that would have been a huge issue. She would never have allowed New Caprica to happen (as in, she would never have permitted them to colonize, believing rightly that the Cylons would return, but also because she would lose her power.) Athena certainly wouldn't have existed anymore.
So I suppose, in the end, she did need to be removed from command. She did not accept the political (and certainly not the compassionate) side of dealing with an enemy (much less her own people). Even one that destroyed so much. At the end of every war, it is the politicians and the kinder hearts who meet to sign the peace treaties. Cain would never have allowed any such thing. I'm not saying the Cylons wouldn't continue to try to pull off a New Caprica. I'm saying that Cain would never ever possibly consider them as anything more than machines to be destroyed, while Team BSG has come to appreciate them as more -- which is actually a far wiser course of action in war and peace: Know Thine Enemy.
Of course, I spent much of all three episodes pointing at Rosama (yes, I did it, I have Couple!named them. Special place in hell for me!) and yelling "Hypocrites!"
3. Now, more to the point ... Kara obviously had a lot of respect for Cain. And when she led the attack, she was the Kara that I could really like. Strong, mature, confident and determined. She would have done well under Cain's command. Why? Because Cain offered her both the harsh discipline she understood and needed, but the pride, responsibility and acceptance she craved. When Cain looked at her and said "I am very proud of you," it meant so much more to me now that I've seen Maelstrom.
Would she have shot her? I actually believe she would have. Not because she was ordered to by Adama (because I don't think she ultimately understood why it was necessary), but because of Cain's own words. It would have been dishonourable to Cain not to follow through.