YES! Thank You!!! I talked at length about Lee in my post (yeah, you’re shocked ;) and it struck me how strong he was in the episode. How he worked through any personal pain to keep the fleet going. Jamie commented in an interview that Lee, in the final episodes, is looking forward and I really sensed that here. Also, earth has never held the same meaning to him as it has to the others and that made it somewhat easier for him to not fall apart and push ahead.
I know that I enjoyed her relationship with Lee more in this episode than I ever had before: that finally it felt healthy and safe and I was even sort of nostalgic for it even though y'all know how much I HATED the entire quadrangle back in S3.
Me too! They seemed really comfortable and at ease with each other and I never sensed that while they were dating or even married. And, for the first time, I saw chemistry. I should have known it was doomed. :/
Unlike some, I never had a problem with the female body count in S4 because I felt it was more a result of there being more secondary female characters than male characters of equivalent importance. I'm not sure if I think this ought to tip the scales. I'm also not sure I entirely disagree with the dramatic decision, which is an uncomfortable place for me to be. Especially since they didn't just kill off a female character to give male characters motivation, they also killed off one of their most prominent characters of colour. Yes we still have Athena/the Eights and Bill Adama, but people of African-American heritage have a particularly stereotypical tendency to get offed.
I’ve seen this brought up elsewhere and maybe I’m being naïve or blind, but my mind never went there. For me, it was never an issue that Lee married a woman who was not white, so her color wasn’t an issue when it came to her death. Dee just happened to be black and just happened to fit a role they needed – someone we knew well enough and cared enough about to make their death tragic, yet not one of the main characters that are still needed to tell their story. Maybe we could criticize the show for not casting a African American as Kara or Lee or Tigh or Helo, the show is predominately white, but Dee’s race was a non-issue for me…if that makes any sense.
Okay, Bill. That was...ridiculous. It was bad enough when you were either so ignorant or so selfish as to start playing the "who lost more?" game with your son when Kara died. To do it when that's his WIFE on the mortuary table is pretty fucking terrible.
I can’t add anything to this. WORD.
The next thing we see is Lee leaving the morgue. I don't imagine it was because he was done spending time with his wife, but I wouldn't want to stay there while my drunken father made her death all about him and his failures either.
That’s my take on it as well. If his father couldn’t be there for him, he sure as hell wasn’t going to be there to prop up his father, again.
BSG is usually really good at subtle acting. But no. Not here.
And Adama’s scenery chewing was made worse by the fact that everyone around him was going with the subtle acting approach.
I think this will be hella interesting and potentially awesome. Because we've never seen her give up before.
When Laura Roslin breaks, you know there is a problem.
Watching Laura have a crisis of faith and attempt defacto suicide is going to be awesome.
It’s an interesting parallel with Dee. Dee wanted to get it over with quickly. She gave herself one last happy day and then ended her suffering. Laura wants to suffer. She wants the slow, painful death because, in her mind, that’s what she’s done to her people and she needs to be punished. She promised to save them and now they are all going to die in the cold and isolation of space.
But I do think that Adama royally frakked that one up. What Laura actually needed at that point was for someone to say, "The hell I'm leaving you alone," and like, grab her in a bear hug no matter how much she yelled at them.
And when has Adama ever been able to deduce what other people need? It’s ALL ABOUT HIM.
Part the Second
YES! Thank You!!! I talked at length about Lee in my post (yeah, you’re shocked ;) and it struck me how strong he was in the episode. How he worked through any personal pain to keep the fleet going. Jamie commented in an interview that Lee, in the final episodes, is looking forward and I really sensed that here. Also, earth has never held the same meaning to him as it has to the others and that made it somewhat easier for him to not fall apart and push ahead.
I know that I enjoyed her relationship with Lee more in this episode than I ever had before: that finally it felt healthy and safe and I was even sort of nostalgic for it even though y'all know how much I HATED the entire quadrangle back in S3.
Me too! They seemed really comfortable and at ease with each other and I never sensed that while they were dating or even married. And, for the first time, I saw chemistry. I should have known it was doomed. :/
Unlike some, I never had a problem with the female body count in S4 because I felt it was more a result of there being more secondary female characters than male characters of equivalent importance. I'm not sure if I think this ought to tip the scales. I'm also not sure I entirely disagree with the dramatic decision, which is an uncomfortable place for me to be. Especially since they didn't just kill off a female character to give male characters motivation, they also killed off one of their most prominent characters of colour. Yes we still have Athena/the Eights and Bill Adama, but people of African-American heritage have a particularly stereotypical tendency to get offed.
I’ve seen this brought up elsewhere and maybe I’m being naïve or blind, but my mind never went there. For me, it was never an issue that Lee married a woman who was not white, so her color wasn’t an issue when it came to her death. Dee just happened to be black and just happened to fit a role they needed – someone we knew well enough and cared enough about to make their death tragic, yet not one of the main characters that are still needed to tell their story. Maybe we could criticize the show for not casting a African American as Kara or Lee or Tigh or Helo, the show is predominately white, but Dee’s race was a non-issue for me…if that makes any sense.
Okay, Bill. That was...ridiculous. It was bad enough when you were either so ignorant or so selfish as to start playing the "who lost more?" game with your son when Kara died. To do it when that's his WIFE on the mortuary table is pretty fucking terrible.
I can’t add anything to this. WORD.
The next thing we see is Lee leaving the morgue. I don't imagine it was because he was done spending time with his wife, but I wouldn't want to stay there while my drunken father made her death all about him and his failures either.
That’s my take on it as well. If his father couldn’t be there for him, he sure as hell wasn’t going to be there to prop up his father, again.
BSG is usually really good at subtle acting. But no. Not here.
And Adama’s scenery chewing was made worse by the fact that everyone around him was going with the subtle acting approach.
I think this will be hella interesting and potentially awesome. Because we've never seen her give up before.
When Laura Roslin breaks, you know there is a problem.
Watching Laura have a crisis of faith and attempt defacto suicide is going to be awesome.
It’s an interesting parallel with Dee. Dee wanted to get it over with quickly. She gave herself one last happy day and then ended her suffering. Laura wants to suffer. She wants the slow, painful death because, in her mind, that’s what she’s done to her people and she needs to be punished. She promised to save them and now they are all going to die in the cold and isolation of space.
But I do think that Adama royally frakked that one up. What Laura actually needed at that point was for someone to say, "The hell I'm leaving you alone," and like, grab her in a bear hug no matter how much she yelled at them.
And when has Adama ever been able to deduce what other people need? It’s ALL ABOUT HIM.