I think that vidding is a smaller subsection of fandom because it's more time-intensive and tech dependent. There's an actual level of computerness that you need to have to be able to do it - though it's becoming an increasingly achievable level and the number of vidders is, I think, rising accordingly. Which also gives me hope that this kind of project can become more common and then maybe it won't seem so intimidating in concept.
I'm ridiculously monofannish these days; but it's certainly interesting to get the perspective of a multifannish person. It hadn't occured to me that galactica vidders were more or less elite than others; quite honestly I just thought that we were decreasing rapidly in size throughout S3 and S4! But that's definitely something I will be thinking about.
My instinct is to agree that it's because it attracts a particular kind of dork and also that the text supports a particular kind of vidder?
The same way that (I have heard) Atlantis fandom is just chock-full of crack?
Fandom personalities = inexplicable sometimes.
As to the title and the concept itself, well firstly, I think that virtual seasons, missing scenes, AUs, etc. are ways to "fix" things for characters who got short shrift - or at least can be. It's just that we're more used to seeing them. There's so much fanfic whereas this is...the only project of its type?
I wouldn't be so slippery as to try and play semantic games over it - I acknowledge that there's a fair level of criticism both in the fan-edits themselves and in the title. That said, and I bow to superior wordsmiths if I have this wrong, but to me, "redact" has a much stronger focus on re-edit, reframe, recontextualise. Amend through presentation? I'm redacting rather than retracting the final season?
Now arguably all those things are, to one degree or another, about improvement, but I also think that a large part of what attracted me to the word was that I felt it was firmly rooted in the mashup/vidding/re-editing/appropriation culture that spawned it.
I think that the implied and everyone who liked it is a moron part is where the real problems arise. Namely because I've felt the exact same implication on occasion (not from yourself), that the original was transcendant and everyone who doesn't like it just doesn't "get it" and is a moron.
I think the problem is there's such polarisation and upset that even at points when no one is trying to upset anyone, simply expressing a strong opinion on one side or the other is perceived as expressing the corresponding insult to the other side?
And the fact that it doesn't matter how grown up we are - something big and important in a story we both loved happened, and we profoundly disagree about it. Those arguments I never bought about "it's just a TV show, care about the starving children in Africa," aside, that's...gonna be upsetting. We're each going to wonder why the other one doesn't understand what we think. 'Agree to disagree' is a very good idea, but a very hard one to actually put into practice on an issue people feel strongly about without some emotional cost on each side, and that's worth acknowledging and respecting. So you certainly have my thanks for being willing to have this conversation with me.
And, while I did think the original was terrible (actually, I thought there were lovely moments, right up until the end, or I wouldn't have made this whole thing, but you know what I mean), I definitely don't think you're a moron. And if I think your a moron, I am one. ;)
I mean, I don't think you DID think I thought that but it's sometimes nice to hear it clarified.
I'm also very glad that you're not going anywhere - I didn't want you to. :)
*KOREAN SOLIDARITY*
...I can no longer stand to each rice and chicken with ketchup because it gives me flashbacks...
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RUN! RUN FOR THE HILLS! :p
I think that vidding is a smaller subsection of fandom because it's more time-intensive and tech dependent. There's an actual level of computerness that you need to have to be able to do it - though it's becoming an increasingly achievable level and the number of vidders is, I think, rising accordingly. Which also gives me hope that this kind of project can become more common and then maybe it won't seem so intimidating in concept.
I'm ridiculously monofannish these days; but it's certainly interesting to get the perspective of a multifannish person. It hadn't occured to me that galactica vidders were more or less elite than others; quite honestly I just thought that we were decreasing rapidly in size throughout S3 and S4! But that's definitely something I will be thinking about.
My instinct is to agree that it's because it attracts a particular kind of dork and also that the text supports a particular kind of vidder?
The same way that (I have heard) Atlantis fandom is just chock-full of crack?
Fandom personalities = inexplicable sometimes.
As to the title and the concept itself, well firstly, I think that virtual seasons, missing scenes, AUs, etc. are ways to "fix" things for characters who got short shrift - or at least can be. It's just that we're more used to seeing them. There's so much fanfic whereas this is...the only project of its type?
I wouldn't be so slippery as to try and play semantic games over it - I acknowledge that there's a fair level of criticism both in the fan-edits themselves and in the title. That said, and I bow to superior wordsmiths if I have this wrong, but to me, "redact" has a much stronger focus on re-edit, reframe, recontextualise. Amend through presentation? I'm redacting rather than retracting the final season?
Now arguably all those things are, to one degree or another, about improvement, but I also think that a large part of what attracted me to the word was that I felt it was firmly rooted in the mashup/vidding/re-editing/appropriation culture that spawned it.
I think that the implied and everyone who liked it is a moron part is where the real problems arise. Namely because I've felt the exact same implication on occasion (not from yourself), that the original was transcendant and everyone who doesn't like it just doesn't "get it" and is a moron.
I think the problem is there's such polarisation and upset that even at points when no one is trying to upset anyone, simply expressing a strong opinion on one side or the other is perceived as expressing the corresponding insult to the other side?
And the fact that it doesn't matter how grown up we are - something big and important in a story we both loved happened, and we profoundly disagree about it. Those arguments I never bought about "it's just a TV show, care about the starving children in Africa," aside, that's...gonna be upsetting. We're each going to wonder why the other one doesn't understand what we think. 'Agree to disagree' is a very good idea, but a very hard one to actually put into practice on an issue people feel strongly about without some emotional cost on each side, and that's worth acknowledging and respecting. So you certainly have my thanks for being willing to have this conversation with me.
And, while I did think the original was terrible (actually, I thought there were lovely moments, right up until the end, or I wouldn't have made this whole thing, but you know what I mean), I definitely don't think you're a moron. And if I think your a moron, I am one. ;)
I mean, I don't think you DID think I thought that but it's sometimes nice to hear it clarified.
I'm also very glad that you're not going anywhere - I didn't want you to. :)
*KOREAN SOLIDARITY*
...I can no longer stand to each rice and chicken with ketchup because it gives me flashbacks...