I actually did think they had a point. I had been uncomfortable with Adama and Roslin's leadership a bit since they were torturing Baltar in season 3. Now they are ignoring the Quorum. I don't love the Quorum members but you can't just dismiss the voice of the people when they disagree with you. But you're right, the deeper point is people are angry and disappointed. The Quorum only represents this. I'm curious as to what Gaeta and Zarek will do differently now. How to satisfy that anger? Kill the Cylons? What? Would that even work? I'm really curious where they are going with this.
Hmm, I think I phrased it wrong. What I meant by they don't have a point is that the points they're claiming they have are fronts for their real motivations - revenge, rage, power-grabbing.
Any good points they claim to be acting on are eloquently expressed by Lee, but not really touched on my by the people in the mutiny itself, and Lee is on the other side of the issue.
Because as you note, they don't explain what they're going to do instead. Because all of the valid points they have for doing what they're doing don't actually logically lead to this kind of mutiny. Perhaps they don't lead to Adama's attitude of just accepting the alliance wholesale on cylon terms either, but it doesn't lead to this.
So I think that Zarek and Gaeta are twisting all the good points they might have in order to justify something unjustifiable. They're not actually acting in the best interests of the people or even the quorum's fears - they're manipulating them. And at that point it doesn't matter if you have a good point lost in there somewhere, it matters what you're doing.
I hope I'm making sense?
Ooh, interesting Gaeta as Cain. I don't think so. But it's an interesting thought. Has war forged Felix Gaeta into a Razor? I don't know.
The interesting thing is, actually, I don't think it has. But then I don't think Cain was a razor either. I think that Kendra was. Kara in this episode, most emphatically is. But Cain? She wasn't a razor she was just full of rage and a desire for revenge. Being a razor means turning off being a human being for as long as you need to. And Cain's problem was that she couldn't and she was consumed by anger and an inability to let things go.
Has war turned Felix Gaeta into something very similar to Cain? I guess yeah, I do think so.
Honestly, I can't see Adama running this fleet again. Or Roslin. It's all broken now and we aren't going to get it back.
I do really wonder how that will work out. I guess I can see Roslin and Adama back in charge if only because Roslin can come out of this as another fraudulent saviour who put down the violent crazies (if they can spin it that way), and similarly so can Adama. People are fickle with short memories and as soon as it becomes clear quite how bloody Zarek's revolution is, the stability of the previous government will look mighty appealing an I imagine a lot of, "I was always on Adama's side really!" squealing to start.
But...I'm also not sure that would be so dramatically satisfying.
Like you say, it's very broken and there needs to be something big that happens in recognition of that fact.
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Hmm, I think I phrased it wrong. What I meant by they don't have a point is that the points they're claiming they have are fronts for their real motivations - revenge, rage, power-grabbing.
Any good points they claim to be acting on are eloquently expressed by Lee, but not really touched on my by the people in the mutiny itself, and Lee is on the other side of the issue.
Because as you note, they don't explain what they're going to do instead. Because all of the valid points they have for doing what they're doing don't actually logically lead to this kind of mutiny. Perhaps they don't lead to Adama's attitude of just accepting the alliance wholesale on cylon terms either, but it doesn't lead to this.
So I think that Zarek and Gaeta are twisting all the good points they might have in order to justify something unjustifiable. They're not actually acting in the best interests of the people or even the quorum's fears - they're manipulating them. And at that point it doesn't matter if you have a good point lost in there somewhere, it matters what you're doing.
I hope I'm making sense?
Ooh, interesting Gaeta as Cain. I don't think so. But it's an interesting thought. Has war forged Felix Gaeta into a Razor? I don't know.
The interesting thing is, actually, I don't think it has. But then I don't think Cain was a razor either. I think that Kendra was. Kara in this episode, most emphatically is. But Cain? She wasn't a razor she was just full of rage and a desire for revenge. Being a razor means turning off being a human being for as long as you need to. And Cain's problem was that she couldn't and she was consumed by anger and an inability to let things go.
Has war turned Felix Gaeta into something very similar to Cain? I guess yeah, I do think so.
Honestly, I can't see Adama running this fleet again. Or Roslin. It's all broken now and we aren't going to get it back.
I do really wonder how that will work out. I guess I can see Roslin and Adama back in charge if only because Roslin can come out of this as another fraudulent saviour who put down the violent crazies (if they can spin it that way), and similarly so can Adama. People are fickle with short memories and as soon as it becomes clear quite how bloody Zarek's revolution is, the stability of the previous government will look mighty appealing an I imagine a lot of, "I was always on Adama's side really!" squealing to start.
But...I'm also not sure that would be so dramatically satisfying.
Like you say, it's very broken and there needs to be something big that happens in recognition of that fact.