Oh, yeaaah, that would've totally gone over my head back then. Or, at the very least, it wasn't an issue that would've really made an impression on me. And yes, to all of that bit on Laura Roslin. I have loved fictional women whose politics and pretty much EVERYTHING else I strongly disagreed with because they were written well and were unconventional. But Laura is someone we *do* agree with, but that whole arc was just so badly handled and not at all researched in terms of the actual issues, WHICH LAURA WOULD KNOW BEING PRO-CHOICE, gah! Also, um, historically, programs that reward people for having babies work a lot better than outlawing abortions on increasing numbers. BUT OF COURSE, I think they're stupid in wanting to increase the numbers while ON THE RUN AND ON LIMITED SUPPLIES. Okay, um, apparently, I still have some unresolved issues there.
On Arabian Fables, I enjoyed Sinbad, and Aladdin. I specifically think they were more iffy towards the writing of women than the men (and there's a definite race/gender hierarchy/intersectionality issues going on). I did some meta on that arc (and specifically on the issues involved in erasing Scheherezade from her own story) here, if you're interested.
Even with the premise that there are multiple homelands, many of the Fairy tale characters that "Fables" is claiming as its own are actually from stories that originated in different parts of the world. But yeah, all the race issues are very, very iffy.
You will not be surprised to learn that "Once Upon a Time" frustrates me in the same capacity at its treatment of race. I don't find it to be deconstructive at all, but you're free to convince me otherwise! I am watching it, but I have been very iffy on some of the choices they're making, especially the very black/white view of morality it seems to take, which is, I admit, very fairy tale-y, but it's frustrating. But like yours, my thoughts on this show are mostly...unformed. There are things I like, and then things that I really don't, and I am not sure exactly what they're trying to do, and most importantly, um, I don't trust the writers. Which makes it harder for me to connect with the characters.
I have a weird relationship with "Vampire Diaries," where I grew up reading the insanely women-positive books by the writer, so I am attached, but oh god, the show's opening line pretty much starts with the male protagonist going "THIS IS MY STORY." When the books were entirely in Elena's POV and very heavily focused on her friendships with other women. What the show DID have going for it was its multiple characters of color, and then it killed them all at the end of the season and continues this tread. Be glad you're not watching.
I promise that I *do* have good things to say about "Fables," too, and reading your Totenkinder post reminded me of some of it. I am hopefully going to find the time later today to do so. :)
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Date: 2012-03-07 07:56 am (UTC)On Arabian Fables, I enjoyed Sinbad, and Aladdin. I specifically think they were more iffy towards the writing of women than the men (and there's a definite race/gender hierarchy/intersectionality issues going on). I did some meta on that arc (and specifically on the issues involved in erasing Scheherezade from her own story) here, if you're interested.
Even with the premise that there are multiple homelands, many of the Fairy tale characters that "Fables" is claiming as its own are actually from stories that originated in different parts of the world. But yeah, all the race issues are very, very iffy.
You will not be surprised to learn that "Once Upon a Time" frustrates me in the same capacity at its treatment of race. I don't find it to be deconstructive at all, but you're free to convince me otherwise! I am watching it, but I have been very iffy on some of the choices they're making, especially the very black/white view of morality it seems to take, which is, I admit, very fairy tale-y, but it's frustrating. But like yours, my thoughts on this show are mostly...unformed. There are things I like, and then things that I really don't, and I am not sure exactly what they're trying to do, and most importantly, um, I don't trust the writers. Which makes it harder for me to connect with the characters.
I have a weird relationship with "Vampire Diaries," where I grew up reading the insanely women-positive books by the writer, so I am attached, but oh god, the show's opening line pretty much starts with the male protagonist going "THIS IS MY STORY." When the books were entirely in Elena's POV and very heavily focused on her friendships with other women. What the show DID have going for it was its multiple characters of color, and then it killed them all at the end of the season and continues this tread. Be glad you're not watching.
I promise that I *do* have good things to say about "Fables," too, and reading your Totenkinder post reminded me of some of it. I am hopefully going to find the time later today to do so. :)