This is a very interesting issue for me. I'm now more than happy to point at Adama at least and yell hypocrite. I've always been reticent to label Roslin like that simply because she's so aware of herself and so willing to accept consequences. I've always thought true hypocrisy involved a belief that what you were doing was different from that other guy's identical action. Maybe Roslin just acknowledges and owns her hypocrisy better.
No you're right. *Runs off to review the definition of hypocrite to make sure I'm not just talking shit*
Adama is an utter hypocrite. Moreover, I don't think he knows what he believes (anymore). But certainly, all he condemned Cain for, he has done since in so many ways.
Meanwhile Roslin. I know she believed the spiritual side before, but now I'm not quite so sure. I think she's grown to be far more pragmatic and Cain-like. WHen she refers to the Gods, I can't help but wonder if it is just a word to her now. She herself has the power to give and take life now. TO lead her people without scripture. To destroy the Cylons in a heartbeat. Why would she need Gods? Not that I'm saying she has a god complex, but I think she believes a lot less in the written words as she used to.
Is she a hypocrite? Only on a political level, I think, as politicians, well, have to be. She can't be any less when she stands at the podium stressing that terrorism will not force a change of laws, meanwhile they were torturing Gaius last week.
The point is, prior to this, Roslin had FAR more chemistry and flirtation going on with Lee. Yes. Lee.
They also think alike. It was he who raised the idea of Cylon genocide and she was right on it. Adama, again displaying his hyporcisy, but hiding behind her skirts, did not like the idea at all.
As far as chemistry with Bill goes, I keep joking about him being her bitch. But that's totally it. And she KNOWS it. And she LOVES it. She has the commander of the fleet in the palm of her hand. Of course she had to destroy Cain. She couldn't have controlled Cain. Lee? Dangerous because he thinks like her but also has opinions of his own.... He would be an equal. Not someone to control...
I loved that speech and even thought, at the time, she had an inkling of what was going to happen to her. But while I thought Cain might have, deep in her mind, understood the necessity of her own death and was secretly, on some level, okaying Kara to kill her, I never quite put it together as dishonouring her if she failed to follow through. Awesome.
That is assuming she managed to pull out her gun in the first place. If she couldnt' do that, then she would have been living with the guilt of not doing it at all and letting Cain down -- of flinching, as she put it in her eulogy (which I think would have hurt her more than the guilt of disobeying Adama -- he's already let her down with lies). If she pulled the gun though, she would have had to do it. If she didn't, Cain would have lost all respect for her and eventually terminated her.
The speech from Cain was beautiful. It along with the other foreshadowing (like Tigh's comment to the other XO: "The last thing we want is colonials shooting at each other") came off as slightly over the top, but Michelle Forbes was powerful enough in the role to deliver it well and lessen the cheese factor and heighten the importance of it.
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Re: Kara and her many parents.
Date: 2007-03-15 12:47 pm (UTC)No you're right. *Runs off to review the definition of hypocrite to make sure I'm not just talking shit*
Adama is an utter hypocrite. Moreover, I don't think he knows what he believes (anymore). But certainly, all he condemned Cain for, he has done since in so many ways.
Meanwhile Roslin. I know she believed the spiritual side before, but now I'm not quite so sure. I think she's grown to be far more pragmatic and Cain-like. WHen she refers to the Gods, I can't help but wonder if it is just a word to her now. She herself has the power to give and take life now. TO lead her people without scripture. To destroy the Cylons in a heartbeat. Why would she need Gods? Not that I'm saying she has a god complex, but I think she believes a lot less in the written words as she used to.
Is she a hypocrite? Only on a political level, I think, as politicians, well, have to be. She can't be any less when she stands at the podium stressing that terrorism will not force a change of laws, meanwhile they were torturing Gaius last week.
The point is, prior to this, Roslin had FAR more chemistry and flirtation going on with Lee. Yes. Lee.
They also think alike. It was he who raised the idea of Cylon genocide and she was right on it. Adama, again displaying his hyporcisy, but hiding behind her skirts, did not like the idea at all.
As far as chemistry with Bill goes, I keep joking about him being her bitch. But that's totally it. And she KNOWS it. And she LOVES it. She has the commander of the fleet in the palm of her hand. Of course she had to destroy Cain. She couldn't have controlled Cain. Lee? Dangerous because he thinks like her but also has opinions of his own.... He would be an equal. Not someone to control...
I loved that speech and even thought, at the time, she had an inkling of what was going to happen to her. But while I thought Cain might have, deep in her mind, understood the necessity of her own death and was secretly, on some level, okaying Kara to kill her, I never quite put it together as dishonouring her if she failed to follow through. Awesome.
That is assuming she managed to pull out her gun in the first place. If she couldnt' do that, then she would have been living with the guilt of not doing it at all and letting Cain down -- of flinching, as she put it in her eulogy (which I think would have hurt her more than the guilt of disobeying Adama -- he's already let her down with lies). If she pulled the gun though, she would have had to do it. If she didn't, Cain would have lost all respect for her and eventually terminated her.
The speech from Cain was beautiful. It along with the other foreshadowing (like Tigh's comment to the other XO: "The last thing we want is colonials shooting at each other") came off as slightly over the top, but Michelle Forbes was powerful enough in the role to deliver it well and lessen the cheese factor and heighten the importance of it.