I hadn't reconsidered the scenes between Tyrol and Tory and Cally's view of their interactions in light of the revelation of a relationship between the two in their previous life. It makes Cally come off a slightly less irrational.
Well when I originally saw those scenes I kind of thought Tory was deliberately or subconsciously hitting on Chief so I didn't think Cally was totally irrational anyway, although she did clearly hallucinate some of the encounter from what she remembers in the airlock that didn't actually happen (though I can't remember offhand what that is) which still has me convinced there were some psychotic features to her depression. But yeah, it certainly made things pretty interesting in retrospect when you throw in that sense that once, they really did love each other.
As to the deleted Kara/Zak scene, I honestly don't know. It frustrates me because there are a fair number of things I am no longer sure what the show meant by and yeah, this is one of them. But I guess - and I confess this may be my somewhat cynical attitude of late - I think that yes, we are supposed to think that Zak is correct in his assessment. Of course, that plays against them talking about how Lee will never muster out and of course, he does. But then again, again the last episode is him returning to his military roots for one last fight.
I think the honest truth is that Moore would probably say he wasn't trying to provide answers one way or another. That Lee was correct in that he didn't want to stay in the military forever and that he did muster out but that Zak was correct in that he and his father were too similar to understand that fact or get along with each other.
I, of course, agree with you and think that they aren't particularly similar. Lee's subborness, as you say, is nearly always when taking a moral stand for reasons wider than himself, while Adama's is nearly always because he feels he's suffering some personal betrayal or upset. Lee lashes out, but usually in far more understandable circumstances, and not to nearly as many people. I've only really seen him lash out at Adama. Otherwise if he's upset he gets closed off and pissy. And while it's open to debate about whether that's more or less appealing or justified or whatever, the fact remains its'...not what Adama does at all.
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Date: 2009-06-02 04:54 pm (UTC)Well when I originally saw those scenes I kind of thought Tory was deliberately or subconsciously hitting on Chief so I didn't think Cally was totally irrational anyway, although she did clearly hallucinate some of the encounter from what she remembers in the airlock that didn't actually happen (though I can't remember offhand what that is) which still has me convinced there were some psychotic features to her depression. But yeah, it certainly made things pretty interesting in retrospect when you throw in that sense that once, they really did love each other.
As to the deleted Kara/Zak scene, I honestly don't know. It frustrates me because there are a fair number of things I am no longer sure what the show meant by and yeah, this is one of them. But I guess - and I confess this may be my somewhat cynical attitude of late - I think that yes, we are supposed to think that Zak is correct in his assessment. Of course, that plays against them talking about how Lee will never muster out and of course, he does. But then again, again the last episode is him returning to his military roots for one last fight.
I think the honest truth is that Moore would probably say he wasn't trying to provide answers one way or another. That Lee was correct in that he didn't want to stay in the military forever and that he did muster out but that Zak was correct in that he and his father were too similar to understand that fact or get along with each other.
I, of course, agree with you and think that they aren't particularly similar. Lee's subborness, as you say, is nearly always when taking a moral stand for reasons wider than himself, while Adama's is nearly always because he feels he's suffering some personal betrayal or upset. Lee lashes out, but usually in far more understandable circumstances, and not to nearly as many people. I've only really seen him lash out at Adama. Otherwise if he's upset he gets closed off and pissy. And while it's open to debate about whether that's more or less appealing or justified or whatever, the fact remains its'...not what Adama does at all.