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Hey guys
First off I'm really, really sorry I've been so crap about posting here lately and stuff. It's been a bit of a grind-you-down kind of couple of weeks. But I still love you all!

In other news, HALP ME.

For reasons that are far to long and boring to be of interest to many of you, I find that I need some suggestions for female singers, or bands with female lead singers, that I might like. My music taste tends to be somewhere in the vicinity of indie rock with various odd jaunts toward both singer-songwriter and rap artist. I like complicated lyrics. I like when not all the songs are about being in love. Or if they are, the lyrics are complicated and interesting. I like drumming. I like "strong" voices rather than "pretty" voices.

Here are some female artists I already like:

Florence and the Machine
Joan Baez
Tracy Chapman
Pat Benatar (shut up!)
Jefferson Airplane
Regina Spektor
Tori Amos (during her early years)

Any recs welcome!

Thanks guys!

Date: 2010-02-21 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaila.livejournal.com
Now I agree with almost all of this, but where I get uncomfortable is here:

This isn’t art, Ms. Palmer, it’s cynical, dismissive marketing.

And I don't want to get caught up in semantics (and I fear I'm getting close!) but I would say that it's BAD art before I would agree it's NOT art. Which isn't to say that I don't agree that it's cynical, dismissive marketing, or even that I personally think it has no redeeming artistic value, or that I don't understand why it's repugnant enough to some listeners to make one no longer a fan of her work. I just think there's a line we do have to maintain between "not art" and therefore something to be regulated, and "bad art" as something I find in poor taste and will avoid.

But I do also agree with everything you say about her response to the criticism, which I find more distasteful even than the actual project? Because her response does indicate to me that she is kind of wearing a fig leaf with her response that it's too artistic for anyone who's offended to understand. (Which again, I don't think invalidates her right to have done it, but if she's going to say it's high art I agree she ought to be ready to actually engage productively).

For me, it's actually very much like what Nicole is saying about Dollhouse. Where I agree that it probably didn't HAVE to be fail, and this project of AP's doesn't HAVE to be fail, but it treads close enough to a line that makes me uncomfortable such that it would have to be done pretty expertly and with a hell of a lot of understanding for me to enjoy it. And in neither instance does that appear to be the case, so I just won't watch and/or won't buy. Even though I'll probably stay away from criticizing either too loudly, since I didn't actually watch or listen to either project...

Date: 2010-02-21 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ticketsonmyself.livejournal.com
her response does indicate to me that she is kind of wearing a fig leaf with her response that it's too artistic for anyone who's offended to understand. (Which again, I don't think invalidates her right to have done it, but if she's going to say it's high art I agree she ought to be ready to actually engage productively).

Yeah. re: art, again I resort to quoting someone else (in this case Sady) who's more eloquent on this than I could be:
[O]ne of the fun things about this particular culture we live in, where you can safely say or do or make any piece of art you like, provided that you’re not actually and non-consensually hurting anyone or breaking any laws to make it, is that people have feedback. Sometimes it’s not pleasant feedback. And if you are going to do this, if you’re going to put shit out there, you need to be prepared for feedback that is not pleasant. ...

I get feedback that stings almost every single day – at least once in this thread! – and, if it’s not openly disruptive or shitty, I publish it, and I think about it, and I respond to it. Because my goal is not to hurt people’s feelings in the same old boring ways they get hurt so much of the time anywhere else. Amanda Palmer made some art (no matter what I think of it, or whether I think it deserves that name) and she is facing one of the consequences of art, which is: unfavorable reviews and opinions. Getting upset about unfavorable reviews and opinions, and framing your upset reactions as a defense of “free expression,” is one of the greater and more common ironies in this world. I’m not surprised she’s doing it, because, hey: people get petulant. But it’s a reaction that deserves a closer look.
it would have to be done pretty expertly and with a hell of a lot of understanding for me to enjoy it. And in neither instance does that appear to be the case

Yeah.

In my experience, Dollhouse was a horrible (and simultaneously often boring, bogglingly enough) exercise in viewer masochism.

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