I felt that Lee and Kara being on separate paths contributed to one of the healthiest exchanges that has ever taken place between them. I’ve always said that the two of them will never work as a couple until they deal with their baggage and find out who they are as individuals.
Word.
Me either! ;)
*clings to our ship*
But DWW believed the parallel is between Laura and Cavill because both were trying to preserve the path there people were already on and that it was Natalie and Kara that are alike - both advocating a radical and risky change based on sketchy information.
I'm definitely on your side in this one. Although I see DWW's point, and am willing to concede that I am horribly biased where Laura is concerned, I think that Laura and Natalie make a far more interesting comparison than Natalie and Kara or Laura and Cavill. Laura might have been Cavill last season, but so much of my reading of her in this and last episode is tied up with her left-hand-turns and her desire to cut through the rules and do something new that I can't help but associate her with Natalie. If you wanted another reason to, one could argue that it's Cavill that's changing the game plan by lobotomizing the Raiders and from Natalie's perspective that's turning away from the path God laid out.
Natalie wants to stick with the scripture and the "Plan", Cavill wants to adapt to changes like, say, the equivalent of Kara returning.
You can read it both ways, I think.
Plus in character terms, I think that Laura's mix of compassion and brutality in order to do what's best for her people is a lot more like Natalie's mix of love and desire for compassion, understanding and learning, that nevertheless leads her onto a violent course. And I think the comparison of their personalities is more intriguing than simply looking at actions and drawing a line between Cavill and Laura. Personalitywise, Cavill is more like Adama: hell-bent on controlling every last detail while this woman keeps needling him. Except Adama ends up deciding to have his way on the sly while Cavill acts unilaterally and ends up a smear on the wall.
*imagines what would happen if Adama openly opposed Roslin on something she thought mattered*
*remembers season two*
*tries to think what would have happened in early season two if Laura were behaving then the way she's behaving now*
*boggles*
don’t think Tigh successfully pimped her out, she chose to sleep with Baltar based on what he was saying to her.
I agree it was her decision ultimately, yes. Although I think that she may well have been feeling ambivalent about it and I'm still hoping there's a more complex reason for her crying than "an abundance of emotion".
Tigh didn't actually tell her she had to whore herself out, but it was heavily implied that she should despite his words. And I think that might have had a bearing on what Tory did. Not...a binary issue, no. But if she went in there thinking, "Oh gods, do I have do this?" and then Baltar actually started sounding less insane and more comforting and then...well she's in a vulnerable state and hardly in the best state of mind to make decisions. :/
I'm still not sure I like it, mind.
I don’t have a handle at all on Tory and much of my Flist is struggling to get a handle on her as well so I really appreciate your thoughts on her.
Happy to offer any insight I have! Though as this episode shows, I think I may be mistaken? I guess that's the problem with deciding minor characters are awesome: they get developed and dammit, it's not the way you developed them in your head! ;)
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Date: 2008-04-14 04:50 pm (UTC)Word.
Me either! ;)
*clings to our ship*
But DWW believed the parallel is between Laura and Cavill because both were trying to preserve the path there people were already on and that it was Natalie and Kara that are alike - both advocating a radical and risky change based on sketchy information.
I'm definitely on your side in this one. Although I see DWW's point, and am willing to concede that I am horribly biased where Laura is concerned, I think that Laura and Natalie make a far more interesting comparison than Natalie and Kara or Laura and Cavill. Laura might have been Cavill last season, but so much of my reading of her in this and last episode is tied up with her left-hand-turns and her desire to cut through the rules and do something new that I can't help but associate her with Natalie. If you wanted another reason to, one could argue that it's Cavill that's changing the game plan by lobotomizing the Raiders and from Natalie's perspective that's turning away from the path God laid out.
Natalie wants to stick with the scripture and the "Plan", Cavill wants to adapt to changes like, say, the equivalent of Kara returning.
You can read it both ways, I think.
Plus in character terms, I think that Laura's mix of compassion and brutality in order to do what's best for her people is a lot more like Natalie's mix of love and desire for compassion, understanding and learning, that nevertheless leads her onto a violent course. And I think the comparison of their personalities is more intriguing than simply looking at actions and drawing a line between Cavill and Laura. Personalitywise, Cavill is more like Adama: hell-bent on controlling every last detail while this woman keeps needling him. Except Adama ends up deciding to have his way on the sly while Cavill acts unilaterally and ends up a smear on the wall.
*imagines what would happen if Adama openly opposed Roslin on something she thought mattered*
*remembers season two*
*tries to think what would have happened in early season two if Laura were behaving then the way she's behaving now*
*boggles*
don’t think Tigh successfully pimped her out, she chose to sleep with Baltar based on what he was saying to her.
I agree it was her decision ultimately, yes. Although I think that she may well have been feeling ambivalent about it and I'm still hoping there's a more complex reason for her crying than "an abundance of emotion".
Tigh didn't actually tell her she had to whore herself out, but it was heavily implied that she should despite his words. And I think that might have had a bearing on what Tory did. Not...a binary issue, no. But if she went in there thinking, "Oh gods, do I have do this?" and then Baltar actually started sounding less insane and more comforting and then...well she's in a vulnerable state and hardly in the best state of mind to make decisions. :/
I'm still not sure I like it, mind.
I don’t have a handle at all on Tory and much of my Flist is struggling to get a handle on her as well so I really appreciate your thoughts on her.
Happy to offer any insight I have! Though as this episode shows, I think I may be mistaken? I guess that's the problem with deciding minor characters are awesome: they get developed and dammit, it's not the way you developed them in your head! ;)