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beccatoriaFolks, I have reached the wall and apparently the wall is when I have to stay at work until 8 to take minutes for the world's. most. boring. board. meeting. ever. It was all the bloody budget stuff that I don't understand and sounds horribly dire and did I mention never, ever ends? OY. I also accidentally convinced half the board I'm some kind of numbers genius by blurting out the answer to a tricky sum when they were all reaching for their calculators. It was a tactical error: now they're all trying to foist extra accounts-related admin duties on me, and I'm not even THAT good at maths. I was just super bored and doing all the sums in my head in an effort to STAY AWAKE. So I was probably working on the sum a good ten seconds longer than they realised. All in all not one of the better ways I've spent an evening.
Um.
Wait, yes. Vidding.
I R TIRED. I'm also a little surprised it took me this long to crash out.
But never fear, interested parties, I imagine vidding will resume tomorrow, or maybe the next day. NaViMaMo, the vidathon of ridiculous name, lives on!
ALSO FRINGE! Because of all the crazy vidding I haven't had the chance to really talk about Fringe, so I will, a bit, now:
OLIVIA YOU BREAK MY HEART. I'm pleasantly surprised by the speed at which they had Olivia remember who she was, etc. I was honestly worried we'd see her very passive and behaving more like Altlivia than Ourlivia and that hasn't happened. I still wish it had been more overt from the start, but I like that she is at least remembering on her own since it's made clear that Peter is a manifestation of her subconscious, etc.
On the Peter front, I still find myself unable to ship him and Olivia. I think partly this has to do with previous negative experiences with main female characters getting into relationships with main male characters, but also just because I love their chemistry as faux-siblings.
This is mainly annoying not because I might have to sit through a romantic plotline I'm not hugely invested in - as long as they don't make Olivia take second place, that's not a dealbreaker. The problem is I AM now interested in the chemistry between Peter and Altlivia. And there are two ways Fringe could go with this once Olivia gets back: awesome and interesting or horrible and drawn out. I think there are some genuinely fascinating stories they could tell here, without hitting any of my traditional (and powerful) love triangle squicks.
I guess, bluntly, I can see it as an opportunity to really amplify that aspect of Olivia I find fascinating - her quiet loneliness: I can't see her pining even if she's deeply hurt. Bluntly, her MANPAIN, which I adore. I would be very interested in seeing Olivia quietly, firmly, heartbreakingly, but not without understanding, put some distance between her and Peter in the wake of this for an appreciable amount of time. To treat Peter, in some measure, the way she treats Walter after realising what he did to her. Obviously not really in the same league, and with a lot more understandable reasons behind it, but in some ways, it's a far more personal betrayal, even if it's tied up in the fact she lost the chance to be that more vibrant, more whole, version of herself because of what Walter did.
As a separate issue I'd be pretty fascinated if Peter chose Altlivia permanently and irrevocably. I don't entirely expect that to happen, but I think it would be kind of amazing if it did, just because I genuinely believe that he finds her more his type. Like, I can see them together more easily. It's a painful, horrible thing for the show to say to Olivia: you are damaged, he loves you better the other way.
But I also don't really think that the show can cop out of the fact that Peter noticed Olivia changed and liked it. Like, for me, that's the bigger issue here, really, than him not noticing she'd been doppelgangered (though obviously that's pretty enormous). Because Olivia was acting...pretty different. A lot like Peter would, in fact (you know, minus the murder!). And Peter preferred it.
Nina Sharp twigged there was something up with Olivia in one scene. It's stuff like that that suddenly makes me think, maybe the show isn't just being lazy. Maybe it's making a point.
Maybe I won't hate this imminent love triangle.
Maybe this imminent love triangle will be about how two people don't really fit together.
Who knows. Fringe always does this to me. It throws out stuff that could be amazing and could be awful. And mostly it ends up on the more amazing of the sides, but sometimes you have to sit through some really...on the edge of that balance stuff to get there. It's never fallen into the fail category, which makes me feel I should be more charitable, but it's also always making me worry in a way that I think is at least partly down to its execution. Like, it never betrays my trust, but it's always asking me for advances on it. Which makes me feel nervous about it and unfair to it at the same time.
AND YET, I'm still glued to my screen. And really worried and hoping it gets renewed for next season.
On the mythology front...okay, just...two things:
1) Ancient technologically advanced people who built a giant doomsday device? Yup, that's awesome pseudo science!
2) Wait, what, before the dinosaurs?! That's at least 65 million years ago. That essentially means that humans evolved twice independently of each other? Or like, we just have zero fossil record of them when we have fossil record of ever damn other thing? DAMMIT. I like pseudo science ! I can even come up with explanations about how there must still be First People around (like say, Sam Weiss, the mysterious bowling man and author of the Victorian era book about First People?) and that explains why I don't have to ask questions about continental drift, because probably more contemporary First People used those sacred numbers to make co-ordinates in which to bury those things. I can even pseudo science handwave the idea that even though they must have been buried as long as number stations (i.e. Marconi), the machine is somehow hardwired for Peter's DNA. Because screw it, time travel and Observers are involved.
But, PEOPLE LIVING BEFORE THE DINOSAURS? CHRIST ON A BIKE, SHOW. That's a suspension of disbelief too far.
Honestly, humans evolved like 150k years ago or whatever and we know there was a significant evolutionary development in terms of speech, art and culture about 50k years ago. Yet we really have no records of civilisations beyond about 10k years ago, and like...a handful of hunter gatherer remains from 30k ago in the ice age, which is also about when we assume agriculture started.
There are gaps in that record many times longer than our entire recorded history, for a crazy advance human culture to have invented weird shit and then mysteriously destroyed themselves while leaving no trace.
AND YET WE GET DINOSAURS.
Sam Weiss, ladies and gentlemen; as a child he rode a pterodactyl to school. And brings WHOLE NEW LEVELS OF MEANING to my icon. Which is, for the first time, actually contextually relevant. *facepalm*
Um.
Wait, yes. Vidding.
I R TIRED. I'm also a little surprised it took me this long to crash out.
But never fear, interested parties, I imagine vidding will resume tomorrow, or maybe the next day. NaViMaMo, the vidathon of ridiculous name, lives on!
ALSO FRINGE! Because of all the crazy vidding I haven't had the chance to really talk about Fringe, so I will, a bit, now:
OLIVIA YOU BREAK MY HEART. I'm pleasantly surprised by the speed at which they had Olivia remember who she was, etc. I was honestly worried we'd see her very passive and behaving more like Altlivia than Ourlivia and that hasn't happened. I still wish it had been more overt from the start, but I like that she is at least remembering on her own since it's made clear that Peter is a manifestation of her subconscious, etc.
On the Peter front, I still find myself unable to ship him and Olivia. I think partly this has to do with previous negative experiences with main female characters getting into relationships with main male characters, but also just because I love their chemistry as faux-siblings.
This is mainly annoying not because I might have to sit through a romantic plotline I'm not hugely invested in - as long as they don't make Olivia take second place, that's not a dealbreaker. The problem is I AM now interested in the chemistry between Peter and Altlivia. And there are two ways Fringe could go with this once Olivia gets back: awesome and interesting or horrible and drawn out. I think there are some genuinely fascinating stories they could tell here, without hitting any of my traditional (and powerful) love triangle squicks.
I guess, bluntly, I can see it as an opportunity to really amplify that aspect of Olivia I find fascinating - her quiet loneliness: I can't see her pining even if she's deeply hurt. Bluntly, her MANPAIN, which I adore. I would be very interested in seeing Olivia quietly, firmly, heartbreakingly, but not without understanding, put some distance between her and Peter in the wake of this for an appreciable amount of time. To treat Peter, in some measure, the way she treats Walter after realising what he did to her. Obviously not really in the same league, and with a lot more understandable reasons behind it, but in some ways, it's a far more personal betrayal, even if it's tied up in the fact she lost the chance to be that more vibrant, more whole, version of herself because of what Walter did.
As a separate issue I'd be pretty fascinated if Peter chose Altlivia permanently and irrevocably. I don't entirely expect that to happen, but I think it would be kind of amazing if it did, just because I genuinely believe that he finds her more his type. Like, I can see them together more easily. It's a painful, horrible thing for the show to say to Olivia: you are damaged, he loves you better the other way.
But I also don't really think that the show can cop out of the fact that Peter noticed Olivia changed and liked it. Like, for me, that's the bigger issue here, really, than him not noticing she'd been doppelgangered (though obviously that's pretty enormous). Because Olivia was acting...pretty different. A lot like Peter would, in fact (you know, minus the murder!). And Peter preferred it.
Nina Sharp twigged there was something up with Olivia in one scene. It's stuff like that that suddenly makes me think, maybe the show isn't just being lazy. Maybe it's making a point.
Maybe I won't hate this imminent love triangle.
Maybe this imminent love triangle will be about how two people don't really fit together.
Who knows. Fringe always does this to me. It throws out stuff that could be amazing and could be awful. And mostly it ends up on the more amazing of the sides, but sometimes you have to sit through some really...on the edge of that balance stuff to get there. It's never fallen into the fail category, which makes me feel I should be more charitable, but it's also always making me worry in a way that I think is at least partly down to its execution. Like, it never betrays my trust, but it's always asking me for advances on it. Which makes me feel nervous about it and unfair to it at the same time.
AND YET, I'm still glued to my screen. And really worried and hoping it gets renewed for next season.
On the mythology front...okay, just...two things:
1) Ancient technologically advanced people who built a giant doomsday device? Yup, that's awesome pseudo science!
2) Wait, what, before the dinosaurs?! That's at least 65 million years ago. That essentially means that humans evolved twice independently of each other? Or like, we just have zero fossil record of them when we have fossil record of ever damn other thing? DAMMIT. I like pseudo science ! I can even come up with explanations about how there must still be First People around (like say, Sam Weiss, the mysterious bowling man and author of the Victorian era book about First People?) and that explains why I don't have to ask questions about continental drift, because probably more contemporary First People used those sacred numbers to make co-ordinates in which to bury those things. I can even pseudo science handwave the idea that even though they must have been buried as long as number stations (i.e. Marconi), the machine is somehow hardwired for Peter's DNA. Because screw it, time travel and Observers are involved.
But, PEOPLE LIVING BEFORE THE DINOSAURS? CHRIST ON A BIKE, SHOW. That's a suspension of disbelief too far.
Honestly, humans evolved like 150k years ago or whatever and we know there was a significant evolutionary development in terms of speech, art and culture about 50k years ago. Yet we really have no records of civilisations beyond about 10k years ago, and like...a handful of hunter gatherer remains from 30k ago in the ice age, which is also about when we assume agriculture started.
There are gaps in that record many times longer than our entire recorded history, for a crazy advance human culture to have invented weird shit and then mysteriously destroyed themselves while leaving no trace.
AND YET WE GET DINOSAURS.
Sam Weiss, ladies and gentlemen; as a child he rode a pterodactyl to school. And brings WHOLE NEW LEVELS OF MEANING to my icon. Which is, for the first time, actually contextually relevant. *facepalm*
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Date: 2010-11-18 12:29 am (UTC)Yikes! As
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Date: 2010-11-18 01:12 am (UTC)What I mean, mostly, is that I want Fauxlivia to be evil. Mustache twirling, maniacal laughter having, kitten drowning evil. For some reason, I want this show to be Black and White, possibly because WALTER (and Nina) are already giving me as much Gray as I can handle. I don't know. It's weird and I am not good at explaining it.
I don't even really (at this point) want Peter and Olivia to get (back?) together. I think they're past it. I'm pretty sure I am, in any case.
(I will mention also that messy sexual consent is a SERIOUS SQUICK of mine, one of the few things I will actually turn off the TV to avoid. So all of my ideas about this are coloured by that.)