BSG InstaFreakout!

[beccatoria]

DANIEL?

Dude. It would be too creepy if Kara's father was number seven and named Daniel Thrace (not to mention, why didn't Kara have a stronger reaction to hearing the name) since I wrote that frakking story with no spoiler information.

But like...why else bring up the Sevens as artists? I'm worried it's just a retcon to explain why there are no sevens and that Daniel was a nonstarter. But it sort of sounded like maybe they never got beyond the prototype before John nuked the line, but the prototype was okay?

But then, it makes the Nicky retcon doubly pointless if Kara is also like Hera. Which makes me wary of declaring victory.

Man, I will be so impossibly disappointed if this isn't true now: curse you show!

Although (while I never considered the whole "travel at exactly lightspeed" slowing time thing nor a lot of the stuff about where the downloading came from) I do consider at least some amount of moral victory that I did speculate correctly that the Final Five made the other models in an attempt to stop history from repeating itself and frakking up supremely.

Now I just need confirmation that the hybrid is sekritly changing reality (no, not even I expect to get that one!) and I'll be satisfied. :p

Oh, and that Kara has never happened before, that would be cool too.

Final brief thought, I still hate John Cavil but I LOVED him here. He's fascinating and brilliant. Clearly he wiped all the other copies of their memories of the five.

NO RLY. If Daniel is Daniel Thrace I...will not have words for how awed/freaked out I will be.

REALLY. SHOW YOU SHOULD NOT TEASE ME LIKE THIS. IT IS CRUEL.

Comments

[beccatoria.livejournal.com]

Yes, indeed, it was just some name I thought sounded good with "Thrace," and possibly it was influenced by the fact that there was a Daniel Greystone and therefore I figured, okay, it is a human name that exists in the world.

I will be...majorly creeped out yet also exstatic if I turn out to be prophetic on this front and will begin to question whether I could possibly have found that name elsewhere even more strongly than I already am. o_O

But I'm trying to manage my expectations.

ALSO YES CAVIL WAS AMAZING HERE. I don't love him but...I love what the show has done with him.

[chaila.livejournal.com]

I don't LOVE love Cavil, like the way I love Laura or Bill or anyone else really, but I LOOOOOVE what the show does with him. I LOOOOOVED his speech about the limits of being human and I just love that he EXISTS to explicate so brilliantly the other side of the humanism question. Because we have a whole lot of romanticizing "being human" and we have a whole lot of people wanting to meet in the middle, but he's the ONLY ONE voicing the other side of the question (see e.g. Natalie/Cavil icon I refused to give up in the hopes that these questions would COME BACK). And I love that he was the orchestrator of much of this and that it raises all the questions of limiting self-awareness and knowledge and and complexifies EVERYTHING and I just . . . trails off into *flail*

[beccatoria.livejournal.com]

Abso-frakkin'-lutely.

I mean, there is also the complication that the other side of the humanism equation is being expressed by someone so..."evil" (in quotes because I'm not an absolutist but, you know what I mean). It kind of suggests that the show doesn't give equal weight to those concerns.

That said, his frustration and anger, while juvenile, were compelling and given a lot of time and space in this episode.

And while the Final Five made the eight models in the image of humans, Ellen's attitude toward them and decisions in their creation betrays a decidedly nonhumanist perspective. In that she made hoardes of identical copies and sees no oddness in the fact that Cavil is simultaneously an old man and a little boy. Indeed the very fact that Anders says they cherished him, having truly believed that they were creating life full-sprung from their own foreheads - like them, not inferior, even if conceived in a different fashion argues against a binary view of human and machine (although...they're also all machines in this equation).

So like...on the one hand, I wish someone who was likely to end up on the "winning" side would point out how much the Cylon lose when they embrace humanism at the expense of their Cylonicity (multiple copies, gestalt identity, resurrection). That someone who matters would say, "Hey, why are these limitations a good thing?"

But at least someone's saying that, and is making rather compelling arguments about it too. To be honest, Cavil is treated much more complexly here than Zarek was last week.

Ultimately I think Boomer could be instrumental in this - if she doesn't lose her views entirely even as she rejects Cavil's more petulant, violent and vengeful twist on them.