BSG 4.5 DVDs: Deleted Scenes!
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Okay y'all. I got my 4.5 DVD box set today! Cus it came out today in the UK.
As usual it looks like the UK set is missing at least one awesome thing - and no I'm not talking about the webisodes, which, yes, it is also missing.
There's no extended cut of Islanded in a Stream of Stars. Which is weird because I was sure I saw a website's review of the UK set talking about it, but...it's definitely not here. The back of the slipcase and disc boxes advertises the extended cut of A Disquiet Follows my Soul but mentions nothing about Islanded and sure enough, it's nowhere to be found. And I checked EVERYWHERE. *sigh*
It's totally weird because there are no individual deleted scenes available for Disquiet, presumably because we get the extended edition instead. But there are also no deleted scenes for Islanded as if there should have been an extended version of that. It's all very odd.
So I tell you what, I'll update all of you on new content from this now, and you can all help me when you get the extended cut of Islanded and tell me if there's anything good I'm missing.
Anyway, down to business!
Sometimes a Great Notion.
1. Bit of a weird one. It's Tigh in his quarters drunkenly staring at a picture of him and Ellen through a bottle of liquor which disolves into the ocean on Nuked Earth, like a mini flashback to earlier. Caprica walks up to him and asks him what's up, did he find something? He says, he doesn't know. Cut back to his quarters with him wondering if Ellen was the lucky one. This is the point where Adama comes in to do his whole embarassing drunken riff about Foxes.
2. More of Kara and Leoben finding the locator beacon. More of Leoben trying to shut down Starbuck's lines of enquiry - "It's definitely Colonial, how did it get out here?" "We'll probably never know,", stuff like that. Nothing really new except calling even more attention to the impossibility of the ship being in two places at once, etc. And reminding me that I'd have a lot less of a problem with "It was the mysterious plan of God," if God's mysterious plan wasn't so weirdly specific about details that ultimately proved meaningless.
3. Fairly long scene with Gaius addressing his cult. He's giving a shaky and clearly very personal speech about how he understands how disappointed they are because he drunk the Earth Will Save Us Koolaid too, and that the official suicide rate for the Fleet is up to 14. He starts trying to talk about how they have to earn paradise and that they shouldn't have been so naive as to think it would be this easy, but then a Six walks in (not one who ever gets a name, I don't think, just a random one) and everyone's like, WTF?!
Baltar welcomes her (and is all faux-religious like, "you are welcome, sister,") and everyone's a bit funny about it and Gaius is all, we're all God's children! And Paulla is all, TOTAL CYLON! And then Athena, because apparently Athena and Helo hang out at Baltar's sermons now, except they never are seen to do so before or since, so it's a bit weird, stands up and for the first time since she got her dog tags publically and unapologetically states her cylonicity, which was kind of awesome actually.
And then Helo stands up and is all faux-religious and pulls me out of the moment, "Come. Sit with us."
Then Gaius is a bit Unity Preachy some more and finally some people leave but most sit back down and he does some more speechifying about how their faith will be tested but those who hang on will...something or other and that speechifying takes us as a VO into the scene with Laura burning the scrolls of Pythia.
And that is the story of how Athena adopted a Six. And now, thanks to
asta77, I am imagining Hera being terribly confused by her new, blonde big sister. But as Asta points out, Helo would obviously be excited by the new arrival.
A Disquiet Follows my Soul.
Okay there is about 8 or 9 minutes of extra material in this one, but a great deal of it is taken up by scenes with just a line or two extra here or there and quiet honestly I can't remember half of them by now and don't feel like rewatching it to make notes since I didn't really like this episode the first time around. Also I freely admit to not watching the opening EmoDama or closing OMFG MY EYES THE A/R NUDITY scenes at all so if there was anything extra in those, you'll have to wait and find out for yourselves!
Extra stuff I can remember:
- Tigh/Caprica/Ultrasound has Cottle telling them it's a boy and Caprica being all thrilled by knowing and Tigh being all, DID WE ASK YOU TO TELL US?! And Cottle being, all, well you didn't ask me NOT to *crank*. Which was somewhat entertaining. Also a few extra lines of OMGS OUR LOOOOVE HAS MADE A BABY. But basically the scene is the same.
- Playa Palacious makes a bit of a bigger deal about the "highly publicised" identities of the final four and public information, etc., before going on to her originally broadcast opening lines in that press conference scene. But again, it's basically exactly the same.
- After Adama thanks Zarek because now it'll be easier to tell who's responsible if there's an unfortunate incident and leaves, Zarek opens his desk drawer and randomly looks at a handgun. It's a bit...random.
- Brand new scene with people handing out Gaius Cult Leaflets and then Gaius waiting to go out and see his people and talking to Head Six. Head Six is telling him that the words will come, because they always do. Gaius tells her that they aren't His words, they're only "mine" (i.e. Gaius's), and he's making them up. Six says no, he is God's instrument and the words will be divinely inspired. Gaius threatens to go out there and tell them all that God's a fraud. Six questions how he can believe that after all he's been through because all he has to do is put himself into His hands; into her hands. Gaius calls her (I'm not sure if sarcastically or sincerely) "my love," and tells her if she were human, or cylon, or mortal at all, she'd know that to be alive, you have to let go.
Frankly I have no idea at all what that means, but I kind of don't care because it gives Tricia Helfer the chance to give us one of those patented Complicated Six Looks which 'humanises' (for lack of a better word) Head Six in a way she hasn't been allowed to be humanised since, probably, Downloaded and even if it's only for an instant, that's kind of awesome.
At which point, Gaius leaves and we see a full-body shot of Head Six in a completely fucking ridiculous dress. Okay, maybe I'm the only one who cannot take it seriously (and you know, objectively, it's a lovely dress), but what the fuck is this shit? It's like a Graecian ballgown. And frankly if anyone on this show is going to wear a ballgown, it ought to be Laura Roslin.

- After the scene when Tyrol announces that the Cylons want a seat on the quorum and citizenship, etc., as Helo and Tyrol are leaving, Helo asks after Nicky and Tyrol tells him they don't know anything yet. Continuing his secret religious streak from the last episode, Helo tells him that they'll both be in "their" (I guess his and Athena's) prayers. I do wonder what their household religion is... Baltarism, apparently!
- Extremely minor amendments to the Hotdog is Nicky's Dad scene - the only thing I specifically remember is an extra shot or two of Nicky in the background playing with one of those medical penlight things. Awww. Poor-no-longer-half-robot-baby. YOU'LL ALWAYS BE A HALF-ROBOT TO ME!
- Quite a lot of extra stuff in the scene where Zarek proposes the measure that bans all Cylons from ships unless the people and captains of that ship agree to it. It now starts with Lee trying to convince the Quorum to ratify the jump drives. He argues that the survival of the Fleet has to take precedence over political concerns. Jacob Cantrell from Saggitaron says that they're being asked to allow Cylons access to the most critical systems of every ship in the Fleet and that surely Lee can see why this is worrying. Lee says, yes, he understands his concernes but - and is cut off by Zarek exercising his right to bring a motion which is where the aired version of the scene starts.
- Okay, as you may recall, in the aired version of the episode, we get Laura running through Galactica intercut with Adama being woken up by a phone call. He swears a lot, brushes his teeth a bajillion times, then intercepts Laura giving the impression that the phone call is about his crazy girlfriend and his response to this is to mutter things like "Motherfrakker," and then brush his teeth before going to do anything about it.
What ACTUALLY happens is that the two events that are being intercut are essentially unrelated. The phone call is about the fact that Figurski isn't running the deck as well as Tyrol did especially with moral so low. 10 birds are grounded and 20 people have called in "sick". So Adama tells Figurski to meet him on the deck in 10 minutes, hence the whole brushing of teeth and getting dressed routine. Adama then goes on a massive fucking rant at Figurski and how this is unacceptable on HIS SHIP and Figurski better DO BETTER and there's lots of rage and stuff. And then Figurski wanders off and Adama sees Laura running up on one of the catwalks. So THEN he goes off to intercept her.
Except the way it's cut is a little strange cus we go from him seeing her running a ways away to him being in front of her running route. So I guess...for dramatic effect or something, he went another route and cut her off? Eh. Anyway, that's what happens there.
- Extended version of the scene where Gaius renounces God as having abandoned them. It now includes Head Six who first of all implores him not to preach from anger or let it blind him. Which is why what spurs him into REALLY launching into his attack on God.
Then afterwards when everyone's screaming and watching Tyrol and Hot Dog fight Gaius is half-horrified, half-fascinated by the fact that these people really will do anything they tell him. Six says that they're his flock and will follow him even into blasphemy. Gaius makes a quip about flock being an appropriate word since they're all sheep. Six points out the hypocrisy of his attitude since he was just preaching against a father's contempt for his children. Gaius says if they're his children they're all screwed.
For anyone wondering, yes, Head Six is still wearing the ri-goddamn-diculous dress.
- The scene between Hotdog and Tyrol at Nicky's bedside is slightly extended, taunting me as Tyrol promises in much more literal terms that he and Hotdog will work this out "together". CURSE YOU SHOW. I MIGHT HAVE FORGIVEN YOU NOT-ROBOT-NICKY IF YOU HAD LET HIM HAVE TWO DADDIES.
- Scene between Zarek and Adama is, I think, extended, but just in terms of a few extra lines here and there, not really saying anything different. I can't exactly remember.
And that's all I remember!
The Oath.
1. Short scene when um, Nowart, I think? The marine Adama captures and then sets free to Starbuck's consternation, makes it back to CIC to report that Adama and Tigh have escaped. Gage is all pissed that they didn't kill him when they had the chance because now they'll have to waste time looking for him. Gaeta's not worried though because he won't hide.
2. Extended version of the Kara/Lee kissing scene when essentially Kara elaborates on her "feeling right for the first time in weeks," comment. She says that maybe none of it matters and she's just Kara Thrace. Lee says he never thought anything else. Starbuck says she did but now she thinks maybe this is why she came back, to fight and die with the only people she's ever cared about.
3. Extended version of the scene when Kara and Lee go to pick up Roslin. Lee - as in the aired version - exalts Laura to address the Fleet because the people will listen to her. Laura says "You sound very sure of that. I don't think I have anything to offer the people, Lee."
Kara: "You read scrolls, I followed visions, so what, we both screwed up."
Laura: "Indeed we did."
Kara mentions she won't be able to do it anyway because they don't have a wireless. That's when we go back to the aired version with Laura affirming that she'll do whatever it takes to stop Zarek and that she has an idea about the wireless (which didn't exactly bother me in the aired episode, I assumed she meant The Wireless as in, the wireless network for the Fleet, rather than the specific wireless issue that Starbuck was talking about.)
4. Extended snippet of the scene when Lee and Kara leave Adama and Tigh to defend Laura's raptor. It was used, I think, in the next episode's previouslies. Essentially it's just Adama telling Lee not to let "these animals dishonour this ship."
Blood on the Scales.
1. AWESOME scene between Laura and Baltar. I totally can't recap all the snark but basically Laura is too pissed to even ask him what side he's on because it would imply he had one, while Gaius wants to point out that "a one-legged man who tried to stab him through the neck with a pen and her noxiously eager VP" have an army and did she suffer oxygen deprivation or will she face reality?
So Laura is all, "I don't care if you want to light candles and hold hands with yourself," he should stay out of her frakking way because she's trying to do something to help.
Gaius is all, "Don't take the moral high ground with me, Laura." To which she responds, "MADAM PRESIDENT, Gaius, is that clear enough to your brain, or do I have to shine a light up your ass to see it?!"
At which point, defeated, Gaius rolls his eyes, takes his toys, and goes home, leaving Laura in the raptor to futily try and contact the Fleet again.
2. The actual shooting of the Quorum. To be honest, I'm glad they cut this. It was far more ominous when we just heard the gunfire and saw the aftermath. The actual shooting made me laugh...
3. Lida scene. We don't get the entire subplot alluded to in some interviews/podcasts (though I might have misunderstood that) so this is the only scene we do get. It's post-coital Lida and Gaius with Lida asking if he feels better and Gaius saying he does. Lida wants to know why it helps. Gaius rambles then goes on about how it's a clever biological trick, combining pleasure and stress relief with procreation. "Good for me, good for you, good for the species." Deadpan: "Everyone's a winner." Lida observes (and it's the only line she delivers where she doesn't sound kind of...simple) that he doesn't look like someone who's won anything.
4. Short scene where Seelix, Connor and a few marines pass Romo and his Pen Pal in the corridor. Seelix asks whether he needs a hand, the Pen Pal says he's got it. Romo bumps into Connor and says, "Ladies." Connor dives for Romo but Seelix stops him.
5. The scene where Adama has Zarek and Gaeta led away from CIC at the end of the mutiny. Zarek says, "You should give Felix a medal; keeping you alive." But that's the only change to the scene. As before, Gaeta and Adama do not speak to each other. He just nods and has Gaeta lead away.
No Exit.
Firstly I am sad to report that Ellen's AWESOME fourth-wall breaking speech is NOT included. *weeps* However we do get the following:
1. A scene between Tigh, Tyrol and Tory after talking to Anders. Tory thinks it's weird; a whole life she can't remember, but when Anders is talking she almost remembers. Tyrol says that they downloaded to the ship so there were bodies and maybe if they died before the Hub was destroyed they could have done it again. Tigh gets all weird and marches off. Tyrol wonders what's with him; Tory points out that he now probably thinks Ellen was on the Hub and he killed her twice.
Tory wonders why those two found each other again while she and Chief apparently had a connection made of "pure rust". Chief wonders if they did; maybe Cally picked up on something when she accused them of having an affair.
2. After Cavil talks about deleting his sleep subroutine, Ellen says this must be why he's in such a bad mood. Cavil sarcastically comments that with a lifespan approaching three thousand years he'd expect her to be more mature, or something. It's very short I'm not even sure what's new tbh.
3. The scene where Boomer meets Ellen. Cavil comments that Boomer seems underwhelmed and maybe Ellen ought to throw lightning or burn a bush or start a card game or something so as not to disappoint the poor girl.
4. Extended Laura/Lee scene!! I'll just transcribe:
Laura: You are the right one, Lee, you have always been the right one. My only concern is that you're sometimes so hell-bent on doing the right thing that you sometimes don't do the smart thing.
Lee: Well, uh, I'll try and be smarter, and wronger.
Laura: *laughs* Oh that's very good, that's - *has a shivery coughing fit*
Lee: *watches in concern*
Laura: *so quiet you almost can't hear* It's okay. *pause* I think that you should begin immediately, accompany me on all official business. But don't forget I'm not quite stepping aside yet. *small smile*
Lee: *small smile, slightly teasing* So you don't think I'm quite ready.
Laura: You're ready *big smile* *pause* *patented Mary McDonnell heartbreaking delivery as Laura almost breaks* I'm not.
OH MY HEART.
Ahem.
Deadlock.
1. A long extended cut of the violence in Dogsville vs Adama inspecting the Goo. The upshot of New Stuff is:
- Caprica was apparently visiting some sort of midwife type person in Dogsville? She's getting given herbs for morning sickness? The woman says she'd better clear out as there's some disturbance.
- We see the marines abandon the food supplies because they aren't willing to fire into the civilians and can't control them any other way.
- Tyrol says a few extra things about the goo; apparently it's like a coral.
- The line that the thugs say to Caprica before the fight breaks out is slightly different - "You don't belong here; maybe you should run along, back to your One God."
- Adama is told, as he leaves the worksite that he has to take a different route because there's been a disturbance in Dogsville and he has to go "up and around." Cue Adama looking all angsty as his ship falls apart in many different ways.
2. Scene between Lee and Adama and Laura. Adama wants to pull marines off other duties to handle security because of the riots and dangerous corridors and assaults. Lee wants to know where they should pull them off of - guarding the nukes, perhaps? Adama's pissed they ditched the supplies but Lee wants to know what they should have done, shot hungry civilians?
Lee says he's sorry he has to make the suggestion but he has to make the suggestion -
Adama interrupts, yelling that he won't have centurions on board his ship for WHATEVER reason. And especially not to provide security.
Lee interrupts screaming that they MUST CONSIDER IT.
Then the phone rings. It's Hoshi telling him that they just picked up Ellen's raptor.
Characteristically, sadly, Laura does nothing in this scene but look enigmatic. But at least she looks, to me, like she's on Lee's side and is just waiting for Adama to crack and admit reality.
3. The scene when Ellen is talking to everyone after arriving. "I'm totally throwing you aren't I?" Laura, coldly: "You aren't throwing anyone. Proceed."
"I'm still Ellen, you know. I have a couple of extra lifetimes up here now but experience is the best teacher. Other than me of course... teasing."
4. Post-coital Saul/Ellen. She wishes he could remember everything. Saul says he sometimes remembers a bit but he can't picture them as a couple of eggheads. Ellen says he's a brilliant man in any world. Saul wants to know if he was a good man. Ellen says of course he was. Except that time he poisoned her.
"I though you knew! You took the cup!"
"I WAS THIRSTY!"
Then she goes on about how she knows he was saving her from a worse fate but REALLY. And then she cracks up and she's kidding. I kind of liked it until then - I think it's mostly just the delivery that breaks it for me. They should have revealed the joke after I WAS THIRSTY. Although I'm still...I mean he DID still kill her. I kind of wanted her to be actually pissed about that. So really, I don't know.
Anyway, Tigh says she owes him a bad turn. Ellen: "Perhaps I do."
When Ellen asks who he frakked, she joke-guesses at either Starbuck or Laura Roslin first.
5. I can't quite place this scene. I think it MIGHT be right after Tigh fraks Ellen and then Caprica walks right up to the meeting room and meets him on the way out. Anyway, Tigh wants to know what she's doing cus she shouldn't be "out here," I dunno. Out of her cage or whatever.
She says he was taking so long and everyone was saying that it was Ellen. Tigh confirms that it is. Caprica makes some I'm-in-pain noise and I groan and go OH DEAR GOD not dead babies again. But no, it is only a very weird segue into an even weirder mid-corridor backrub moment because apparently Tigh's the only one who can "do that." But Tigh is distracted and says he has to go because he's already late and gives her a kiss then wanders off.
So basically this scene confirmed to me that while I have VAST AMOUNTS OF LOVE for every individual component in my beloved flipper family, whenever they try to act like, an actual family or something, I just find it creepy as hell. o_O
6. Extended version of the scene where Ellen sees Anders and notes the poor boy has such bad timing. Essentially the extra stuff is that Adama, Laura and Lee are all there in the background too. Ellen doesn't see the need for the audience.
Lee: *in this hilariously awkward, I'm-Being-Friendly-But-We-All-Know-I'm-Not tone* This is a significant reunion. We feel we should be here.
Ellen: In case we all join hands and shoot magic fireworks out of our asses?
Lee feels there should be a government presence at any meeting but Six calls his bluff and says either they're allies or they're not. Lee backtracks and says of course they're their allies - again in this really quite awesomely strained tone which has more layers than I can really parse well - and okay, they should go ahead, and Laura, Lee and Adama leave.
I don't really get why they're worried since Tigh will totally tell Adama everything ANYWAY. Well okay, except he doesn't, but you know what I mean.
Oh also, in response to Tory's comments about the 13th tribe in its purest form, Ellen says even though she doesn't remember herself she's still so "her".
Someone to Watch Over Me.
1. Starbuck suiting up with alarms in the background, wanting to know what the hell is going on and if it's Cavil, and where they're going. She gets out into the corridor and it's empty. Goes down to the hangar deck, also empty - which is when the dream of her watching herself as a child play the piano starts.
2. Longer version of the conversation between the Five about issuing a decree of clemency for Boomer. Tyrol comments that they all have blood on their hands. He tells Tory that directly or indirectly they've all killed people. Ellen comments that the projection upset him - so he told them about it. Tyrol says that Anders said they had to break the cycle of violence. Tory wants to know what he expects them to do.
3. Surprisingly unhorrifying Adama and Laura scene. Laura wants to make a contingency plan for the ship. Adama says that in a few weeks they'll be able to see what the compound has done for the integrity of the ship. Laura says at best that's a temporary solution and will just buy them some more time. She shows him her shaking hands, in her casual, blunt, you-scared-old-man way. "Hey Bill," she says. "Look at this." She says she's had to face the fact that she can no longer fulfill all of her responsibilities as President and that soon she won't be able to fulfill any of them and that it's not easy. She knows how much the ship means to him but he has to face the fact that he's going to lose her.
4. Hotdog and Athena in the Head - Hotdog telling some story about how Nicky got barf inside his shoes and then laughed as he had to clear it up, so could Athena please find them a nice planet with lots of tropical beachfront.
Then he leaves and Boomer comes in.
5. Half naked Tahmoh Penikett and Grace Park! Post-coital Helo and Boomer. Helo says that was incredible and they should make this a tradition. Boomer says he's on.
6. In the aired version, we cut from Starbuck playing her dad's music to Anders to Chief running through the projection house. Here we instead cut to Adama showing up at Laura's bed in sickbay with a book.
Daybreak.
There aren't many and I think they're all from part 1, but they are all the ones that were on the DVD. Which surprises me but I guess since RDM got his ridiculously long finale maybe he didn't keep much back.
1. Flashback - Cavil and Tory. As they board an air/space plan I see someone I'm SURE is Boomer from the next scene board and go in the opposite direction. Anyway, we'll get to that in a minute. In the meantime, Cavil dumps a drugged and completely out of it Tory in a seat and tells her he hopes she enjoys mortal life and he thinks she'll find that he's right about it. The steward is a little concerned about Tory's state but Cavil says she went clubbing last night and he might want to make sure there's a clear run between Tory and the bathroom. The steward is not pleased. I think this is a few years before the attacks and that Tory was probably the last of the Five he reinserted into the Colonies?
2. Boomer is asleep on the plane - see above - I think it's the same flight - and gets woken up by a steward because the Captain needs to talk to her. The captain says she has terrible news, and tells her about the destruction of Troy and the loss of her family. She says that someone will meet her when they land to take her to the Academy and she's sure they have counselors and clergy there.
It doesn't quite tally with what Boomer says to Boxey in the mini, that her parents died when she was little, but then again, that was a continuity issue with Downloaded with the elephants her mother gave her when she was accepted into the Fleet Academy, not this episode.
3. Flashback scene with Helo and Boomer in the raptor, with Chief teasing Boomer about how he's softened the trap and then Prosna, Cally and Socinus throw pillow at them.
4. Kara and Lee flashback. Lee says that he thinks there's more to life than the service. Kara disagrees and thinks he'd be bored out of his mind within a week. Lee says she barely knows him but she says she knows soldiers and she bets that he'll never actually leave the service. Lee takes that bet. Zak wants to know if they're still drinking or what.
5. Flashback to Kara and Zak before Lee arrives. Kara wants to know more about Lee. Zak says he's everything his father wanted him to be and Kara wants to know what that means. Zak says he's a soldier, a warrior inside and out. Kara says Zak is a soldier. Zak says next to Lee he's a kid playing dress-up. Zak says Lee's problem is he's so pissed at their father he can't see how alike they are. Kara's glad Zak's not like them, and Zak is her soldier.
Honestly, I really don't think Lee and Adama are at all alike and while I think he's an excellent soldier I do not think he's a warrior inside and out. But...there you go. Just my opinion.
And OY. I'm really tired now, so that's it folks!
As usual it looks like the UK set is missing at least one awesome thing - and no I'm not talking about the webisodes, which, yes, it is also missing.
There's no extended cut of Islanded in a Stream of Stars. Which is weird because I was sure I saw a website's review of the UK set talking about it, but...it's definitely not here. The back of the slipcase and disc boxes advertises the extended cut of A Disquiet Follows my Soul but mentions nothing about Islanded and sure enough, it's nowhere to be found. And I checked EVERYWHERE. *sigh*
It's totally weird because there are no individual deleted scenes available for Disquiet, presumably because we get the extended edition instead. But there are also no deleted scenes for Islanded as if there should have been an extended version of that. It's all very odd.
So I tell you what, I'll update all of you on new content from this now, and you can all help me when you get the extended cut of Islanded and tell me if there's anything good I'm missing.
Anyway, down to business!
Sometimes a Great Notion.
1. Bit of a weird one. It's Tigh in his quarters drunkenly staring at a picture of him and Ellen through a bottle of liquor which disolves into the ocean on Nuked Earth, like a mini flashback to earlier. Caprica walks up to him and asks him what's up, did he find something? He says, he doesn't know. Cut back to his quarters with him wondering if Ellen was the lucky one. This is the point where Adama comes in to do his whole embarassing drunken riff about Foxes.
2. More of Kara and Leoben finding the locator beacon. More of Leoben trying to shut down Starbuck's lines of enquiry - "It's definitely Colonial, how did it get out here?" "We'll probably never know,", stuff like that. Nothing really new except calling even more attention to the impossibility of the ship being in two places at once, etc. And reminding me that I'd have a lot less of a problem with "It was the mysterious plan of God," if God's mysterious plan wasn't so weirdly specific about details that ultimately proved meaningless.
3. Fairly long scene with Gaius addressing his cult. He's giving a shaky and clearly very personal speech about how he understands how disappointed they are because he drunk the Earth Will Save Us Koolaid too, and that the official suicide rate for the Fleet is up to 14. He starts trying to talk about how they have to earn paradise and that they shouldn't have been so naive as to think it would be this easy, but then a Six walks in (not one who ever gets a name, I don't think, just a random one) and everyone's like, WTF?!
Baltar welcomes her (and is all faux-religious like, "you are welcome, sister,") and everyone's a bit funny about it and Gaius is all, we're all God's children! And Paulla is all, TOTAL CYLON! And then Athena, because apparently Athena and Helo hang out at Baltar's sermons now, except they never are seen to do so before or since, so it's a bit weird, stands up and for the first time since she got her dog tags publically and unapologetically states her cylonicity, which was kind of awesome actually.
And then Helo stands up and is all faux-religious and pulls me out of the moment, "Come. Sit with us."
Then Gaius is a bit Unity Preachy some more and finally some people leave but most sit back down and he does some more speechifying about how their faith will be tested but those who hang on will...something or other and that speechifying takes us as a VO into the scene with Laura burning the scrolls of Pythia.
And that is the story of how Athena adopted a Six. And now, thanks to
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A Disquiet Follows my Soul.
Okay there is about 8 or 9 minutes of extra material in this one, but a great deal of it is taken up by scenes with just a line or two extra here or there and quiet honestly I can't remember half of them by now and don't feel like rewatching it to make notes since I didn't really like this episode the first time around. Also I freely admit to not watching the opening EmoDama or closing OMFG MY EYES THE A/R NUDITY scenes at all so if there was anything extra in those, you'll have to wait and find out for yourselves!
Extra stuff I can remember:
- Tigh/Caprica/Ultrasound has Cottle telling them it's a boy and Caprica being all thrilled by knowing and Tigh being all, DID WE ASK YOU TO TELL US?! And Cottle being, all, well you didn't ask me NOT to *crank*. Which was somewhat entertaining. Also a few extra lines of OMGS OUR LOOOOVE HAS MADE A BABY. But basically the scene is the same.
- Playa Palacious makes a bit of a bigger deal about the "highly publicised" identities of the final four and public information, etc., before going on to her originally broadcast opening lines in that press conference scene. But again, it's basically exactly the same.
- After Adama thanks Zarek because now it'll be easier to tell who's responsible if there's an unfortunate incident and leaves, Zarek opens his desk drawer and randomly looks at a handgun. It's a bit...random.
- Brand new scene with people handing out Gaius Cult Leaflets and then Gaius waiting to go out and see his people and talking to Head Six. Head Six is telling him that the words will come, because they always do. Gaius tells her that they aren't His words, they're only "mine" (i.e. Gaius's), and he's making them up. Six says no, he is God's instrument and the words will be divinely inspired. Gaius threatens to go out there and tell them all that God's a fraud. Six questions how he can believe that after all he's been through because all he has to do is put himself into His hands; into her hands. Gaius calls her (I'm not sure if sarcastically or sincerely) "my love," and tells her if she were human, or cylon, or mortal at all, she'd know that to be alive, you have to let go.
Frankly I have no idea at all what that means, but I kind of don't care because it gives Tricia Helfer the chance to give us one of those patented Complicated Six Looks which 'humanises' (for lack of a better word) Head Six in a way she hasn't been allowed to be humanised since, probably, Downloaded and even if it's only for an instant, that's kind of awesome.
At which point, Gaius leaves and we see a full-body shot of Head Six in a completely fucking ridiculous dress. Okay, maybe I'm the only one who cannot take it seriously (and you know, objectively, it's a lovely dress), but what the fuck is this shit? It's like a Graecian ballgown. And frankly if anyone on this show is going to wear a ballgown, it ought to be Laura Roslin.

- After the scene when Tyrol announces that the Cylons want a seat on the quorum and citizenship, etc., as Helo and Tyrol are leaving, Helo asks after Nicky and Tyrol tells him they don't know anything yet. Continuing his secret religious streak from the last episode, Helo tells him that they'll both be in "their" (I guess his and Athena's) prayers. I do wonder what their household religion is... Baltarism, apparently!
- Extremely minor amendments to the Hotdog is Nicky's Dad scene - the only thing I specifically remember is an extra shot or two of Nicky in the background playing with one of those medical penlight things. Awww. Poor-no-longer-half-robot-baby. YOU'LL ALWAYS BE A HALF-ROBOT TO ME!
- Quite a lot of extra stuff in the scene where Zarek proposes the measure that bans all Cylons from ships unless the people and captains of that ship agree to it. It now starts with Lee trying to convince the Quorum to ratify the jump drives. He argues that the survival of the Fleet has to take precedence over political concerns. Jacob Cantrell from Saggitaron says that they're being asked to allow Cylons access to the most critical systems of every ship in the Fleet and that surely Lee can see why this is worrying. Lee says, yes, he understands his concernes but - and is cut off by Zarek exercising his right to bring a motion which is where the aired version of the scene starts.
- Okay, as you may recall, in the aired version of the episode, we get Laura running through Galactica intercut with Adama being woken up by a phone call. He swears a lot, brushes his teeth a bajillion times, then intercepts Laura giving the impression that the phone call is about his crazy girlfriend and his response to this is to mutter things like "Motherfrakker," and then brush his teeth before going to do anything about it.
What ACTUALLY happens is that the two events that are being intercut are essentially unrelated. The phone call is about the fact that Figurski isn't running the deck as well as Tyrol did especially with moral so low. 10 birds are grounded and 20 people have called in "sick". So Adama tells Figurski to meet him on the deck in 10 minutes, hence the whole brushing of teeth and getting dressed routine. Adama then goes on a massive fucking rant at Figurski and how this is unacceptable on HIS SHIP and Figurski better DO BETTER and there's lots of rage and stuff. And then Figurski wanders off and Adama sees Laura running up on one of the catwalks. So THEN he goes off to intercept her.
Except the way it's cut is a little strange cus we go from him seeing her running a ways away to him being in front of her running route. So I guess...for dramatic effect or something, he went another route and cut her off? Eh. Anyway, that's what happens there.
- Extended version of the scene where Gaius renounces God as having abandoned them. It now includes Head Six who first of all implores him not to preach from anger or let it blind him. Which is why what spurs him into REALLY launching into his attack on God.
Then afterwards when everyone's screaming and watching Tyrol and Hot Dog fight Gaius is half-horrified, half-fascinated by the fact that these people really will do anything they tell him. Six says that they're his flock and will follow him even into blasphemy. Gaius makes a quip about flock being an appropriate word since they're all sheep. Six points out the hypocrisy of his attitude since he was just preaching against a father's contempt for his children. Gaius says if they're his children they're all screwed.
For anyone wondering, yes, Head Six is still wearing the ri-goddamn-diculous dress.
- The scene between Hotdog and Tyrol at Nicky's bedside is slightly extended, taunting me as Tyrol promises in much more literal terms that he and Hotdog will work this out "together". CURSE YOU SHOW. I MIGHT HAVE FORGIVEN YOU NOT-ROBOT-NICKY IF YOU HAD LET HIM HAVE TWO DADDIES.
- Scene between Zarek and Adama is, I think, extended, but just in terms of a few extra lines here and there, not really saying anything different. I can't exactly remember.
And that's all I remember!
The Oath.
1. Short scene when um, Nowart, I think? The marine Adama captures and then sets free to Starbuck's consternation, makes it back to CIC to report that Adama and Tigh have escaped. Gage is all pissed that they didn't kill him when they had the chance because now they'll have to waste time looking for him. Gaeta's not worried though because he won't hide.
2. Extended version of the Kara/Lee kissing scene when essentially Kara elaborates on her "feeling right for the first time in weeks," comment. She says that maybe none of it matters and she's just Kara Thrace. Lee says he never thought anything else. Starbuck says she did but now she thinks maybe this is why she came back, to fight and die with the only people she's ever cared about.
3. Extended version of the scene when Kara and Lee go to pick up Roslin. Lee - as in the aired version - exalts Laura to address the Fleet because the people will listen to her. Laura says "You sound very sure of that. I don't think I have anything to offer the people, Lee."
Kara: "You read scrolls, I followed visions, so what, we both screwed up."
Laura: "Indeed we did."
Kara mentions she won't be able to do it anyway because they don't have a wireless. That's when we go back to the aired version with Laura affirming that she'll do whatever it takes to stop Zarek and that she has an idea about the wireless (which didn't exactly bother me in the aired episode, I assumed she meant The Wireless as in, the wireless network for the Fleet, rather than the specific wireless issue that Starbuck was talking about.)
4. Extended snippet of the scene when Lee and Kara leave Adama and Tigh to defend Laura's raptor. It was used, I think, in the next episode's previouslies. Essentially it's just Adama telling Lee not to let "these animals dishonour this ship."
Blood on the Scales.
1. AWESOME scene between Laura and Baltar. I totally can't recap all the snark but basically Laura is too pissed to even ask him what side he's on because it would imply he had one, while Gaius wants to point out that "a one-legged man who tried to stab him through the neck with a pen and her noxiously eager VP" have an army and did she suffer oxygen deprivation or will she face reality?
So Laura is all, "I don't care if you want to light candles and hold hands with yourself," he should stay out of her frakking way because she's trying to do something to help.
Gaius is all, "Don't take the moral high ground with me, Laura." To which she responds, "MADAM PRESIDENT, Gaius, is that clear enough to your brain, or do I have to shine a light up your ass to see it?!"
At which point, defeated, Gaius rolls his eyes, takes his toys, and goes home, leaving Laura in the raptor to futily try and contact the Fleet again.
2. The actual shooting of the Quorum. To be honest, I'm glad they cut this. It was far more ominous when we just heard the gunfire and saw the aftermath. The actual shooting made me laugh...
3. Lida scene. We don't get the entire subplot alluded to in some interviews/podcasts (though I might have misunderstood that) so this is the only scene we do get. It's post-coital Lida and Gaius with Lida asking if he feels better and Gaius saying he does. Lida wants to know why it helps. Gaius rambles then goes on about how it's a clever biological trick, combining pleasure and stress relief with procreation. "Good for me, good for you, good for the species." Deadpan: "Everyone's a winner." Lida observes (and it's the only line she delivers where she doesn't sound kind of...simple) that he doesn't look like someone who's won anything.
4. Short scene where Seelix, Connor and a few marines pass Romo and his Pen Pal in the corridor. Seelix asks whether he needs a hand, the Pen Pal says he's got it. Romo bumps into Connor and says, "Ladies." Connor dives for Romo but Seelix stops him.
5. The scene where Adama has Zarek and Gaeta led away from CIC at the end of the mutiny. Zarek says, "You should give Felix a medal; keeping you alive." But that's the only change to the scene. As before, Gaeta and Adama do not speak to each other. He just nods and has Gaeta lead away.
No Exit.
Firstly I am sad to report that Ellen's AWESOME fourth-wall breaking speech is NOT included. *weeps* However we do get the following:
1. A scene between Tigh, Tyrol and Tory after talking to Anders. Tory thinks it's weird; a whole life she can't remember, but when Anders is talking she almost remembers. Tyrol says that they downloaded to the ship so there were bodies and maybe if they died before the Hub was destroyed they could have done it again. Tigh gets all weird and marches off. Tyrol wonders what's with him; Tory points out that he now probably thinks Ellen was on the Hub and he killed her twice.
Tory wonders why those two found each other again while she and Chief apparently had a connection made of "pure rust". Chief wonders if they did; maybe Cally picked up on something when she accused them of having an affair.
2. After Cavil talks about deleting his sleep subroutine, Ellen says this must be why he's in such a bad mood. Cavil sarcastically comments that with a lifespan approaching three thousand years he'd expect her to be more mature, or something. It's very short I'm not even sure what's new tbh.
3. The scene where Boomer meets Ellen. Cavil comments that Boomer seems underwhelmed and maybe Ellen ought to throw lightning or burn a bush or start a card game or something so as not to disappoint the poor girl.
4. Extended Laura/Lee scene!! I'll just transcribe:
Laura: You are the right one, Lee, you have always been the right one. My only concern is that you're sometimes so hell-bent on doing the right thing that you sometimes don't do the smart thing.
Lee: Well, uh, I'll try and be smarter, and wronger.
Laura: *laughs* Oh that's very good, that's - *has a shivery coughing fit*
Lee: *watches in concern*
Laura: *so quiet you almost can't hear* It's okay. *pause* I think that you should begin immediately, accompany me on all official business. But don't forget I'm not quite stepping aside yet. *small smile*
Lee: *small smile, slightly teasing* So you don't think I'm quite ready.
Laura: You're ready *big smile* *pause* *patented Mary McDonnell heartbreaking delivery as Laura almost breaks* I'm not.
OH MY HEART.
Ahem.
Deadlock.
1. A long extended cut of the violence in Dogsville vs Adama inspecting the Goo. The upshot of New Stuff is:
- Caprica was apparently visiting some sort of midwife type person in Dogsville? She's getting given herbs for morning sickness? The woman says she'd better clear out as there's some disturbance.
- We see the marines abandon the food supplies because they aren't willing to fire into the civilians and can't control them any other way.
- Tyrol says a few extra things about the goo; apparently it's like a coral.
- The line that the thugs say to Caprica before the fight breaks out is slightly different - "You don't belong here; maybe you should run along, back to your One God."
- Adama is told, as he leaves the worksite that he has to take a different route because there's been a disturbance in Dogsville and he has to go "up and around." Cue Adama looking all angsty as his ship falls apart in many different ways.
2. Scene between Lee and Adama and Laura. Adama wants to pull marines off other duties to handle security because of the riots and dangerous corridors and assaults. Lee wants to know where they should pull them off of - guarding the nukes, perhaps? Adama's pissed they ditched the supplies but Lee wants to know what they should have done, shot hungry civilians?
Lee says he's sorry he has to make the suggestion but he has to make the suggestion -
Adama interrupts, yelling that he won't have centurions on board his ship for WHATEVER reason. And especially not to provide security.
Lee interrupts screaming that they MUST CONSIDER IT.
Then the phone rings. It's Hoshi telling him that they just picked up Ellen's raptor.
Characteristically, sadly, Laura does nothing in this scene but look enigmatic. But at least she looks, to me, like she's on Lee's side and is just waiting for Adama to crack and admit reality.
3. The scene when Ellen is talking to everyone after arriving. "I'm totally throwing you aren't I?" Laura, coldly: "You aren't throwing anyone. Proceed."
"I'm still Ellen, you know. I have a couple of extra lifetimes up here now but experience is the best teacher. Other than me of course... teasing."
4. Post-coital Saul/Ellen. She wishes he could remember everything. Saul says he sometimes remembers a bit but he can't picture them as a couple of eggheads. Ellen says he's a brilliant man in any world. Saul wants to know if he was a good man. Ellen says of course he was. Except that time he poisoned her.
"I though you knew! You took the cup!"
"I WAS THIRSTY!"
Then she goes on about how she knows he was saving her from a worse fate but REALLY. And then she cracks up and she's kidding. I kind of liked it until then - I think it's mostly just the delivery that breaks it for me. They should have revealed the joke after I WAS THIRSTY. Although I'm still...I mean he DID still kill her. I kind of wanted her to be actually pissed about that. So really, I don't know.
Anyway, Tigh says she owes him a bad turn. Ellen: "Perhaps I do."
When Ellen asks who he frakked, she joke-guesses at either Starbuck or Laura Roslin first.
5. I can't quite place this scene. I think it MIGHT be right after Tigh fraks Ellen and then Caprica walks right up to the meeting room and meets him on the way out. Anyway, Tigh wants to know what she's doing cus she shouldn't be "out here," I dunno. Out of her cage or whatever.
She says he was taking so long and everyone was saying that it was Ellen. Tigh confirms that it is. Caprica makes some I'm-in-pain noise and I groan and go OH DEAR GOD not dead babies again. But no, it is only a very weird segue into an even weirder mid-corridor backrub moment because apparently Tigh's the only one who can "do that." But Tigh is distracted and says he has to go because he's already late and gives her a kiss then wanders off.
So basically this scene confirmed to me that while I have VAST AMOUNTS OF LOVE for every individual component in my beloved flipper family, whenever they try to act like, an actual family or something, I just find it creepy as hell. o_O
6. Extended version of the scene where Ellen sees Anders and notes the poor boy has such bad timing. Essentially the extra stuff is that Adama, Laura and Lee are all there in the background too. Ellen doesn't see the need for the audience.
Lee: *in this hilariously awkward, I'm-Being-Friendly-But-We-All-Know-I'm-Not tone* This is a significant reunion. We feel we should be here.
Ellen: In case we all join hands and shoot magic fireworks out of our asses?
Lee feels there should be a government presence at any meeting but Six calls his bluff and says either they're allies or they're not. Lee backtracks and says of course they're their allies - again in this really quite awesomely strained tone which has more layers than I can really parse well - and okay, they should go ahead, and Laura, Lee and Adama leave.
I don't really get why they're worried since Tigh will totally tell Adama everything ANYWAY. Well okay, except he doesn't, but you know what I mean.
Oh also, in response to Tory's comments about the 13th tribe in its purest form, Ellen says even though she doesn't remember herself she's still so "her".
Someone to Watch Over Me.
1. Starbuck suiting up with alarms in the background, wanting to know what the hell is going on and if it's Cavil, and where they're going. She gets out into the corridor and it's empty. Goes down to the hangar deck, also empty - which is when the dream of her watching herself as a child play the piano starts.
2. Longer version of the conversation between the Five about issuing a decree of clemency for Boomer. Tyrol comments that they all have blood on their hands. He tells Tory that directly or indirectly they've all killed people. Ellen comments that the projection upset him - so he told them about it. Tyrol says that Anders said they had to break the cycle of violence. Tory wants to know what he expects them to do.
3. Surprisingly unhorrifying Adama and Laura scene. Laura wants to make a contingency plan for the ship. Adama says that in a few weeks they'll be able to see what the compound has done for the integrity of the ship. Laura says at best that's a temporary solution and will just buy them some more time. She shows him her shaking hands, in her casual, blunt, you-scared-old-man way. "Hey Bill," she says. "Look at this." She says she's had to face the fact that she can no longer fulfill all of her responsibilities as President and that soon she won't be able to fulfill any of them and that it's not easy. She knows how much the ship means to him but he has to face the fact that he's going to lose her.
4. Hotdog and Athena in the Head - Hotdog telling some story about how Nicky got barf inside his shoes and then laughed as he had to clear it up, so could Athena please find them a nice planet with lots of tropical beachfront.
Then he leaves and Boomer comes in.
5. Half naked Tahmoh Penikett and Grace Park! Post-coital Helo and Boomer. Helo says that was incredible and they should make this a tradition. Boomer says he's on.
6. In the aired version, we cut from Starbuck playing her dad's music to Anders to Chief running through the projection house. Here we instead cut to Adama showing up at Laura's bed in sickbay with a book.
Daybreak.
There aren't many and I think they're all from part 1, but they are all the ones that were on the DVD. Which surprises me but I guess since RDM got his ridiculously long finale maybe he didn't keep much back.
1. Flashback - Cavil and Tory. As they board an air/space plan I see someone I'm SURE is Boomer from the next scene board and go in the opposite direction. Anyway, we'll get to that in a minute. In the meantime, Cavil dumps a drugged and completely out of it Tory in a seat and tells her he hopes she enjoys mortal life and he thinks she'll find that he's right about it. The steward is a little concerned about Tory's state but Cavil says she went clubbing last night and he might want to make sure there's a clear run between Tory and the bathroom. The steward is not pleased. I think this is a few years before the attacks and that Tory was probably the last of the Five he reinserted into the Colonies?
2. Boomer is asleep on the plane - see above - I think it's the same flight - and gets woken up by a steward because the Captain needs to talk to her. The captain says she has terrible news, and tells her about the destruction of Troy and the loss of her family. She says that someone will meet her when they land to take her to the Academy and she's sure they have counselors and clergy there.
It doesn't quite tally with what Boomer says to Boxey in the mini, that her parents died when she was little, but then again, that was a continuity issue with Downloaded with the elephants her mother gave her when she was accepted into the Fleet Academy, not this episode.
3. Flashback scene with Helo and Boomer in the raptor, with Chief teasing Boomer about how he's softened the trap and then Prosna, Cally and Socinus throw pillow at them.
4. Kara and Lee flashback. Lee says that he thinks there's more to life than the service. Kara disagrees and thinks he'd be bored out of his mind within a week. Lee says she barely knows him but she says she knows soldiers and she bets that he'll never actually leave the service. Lee takes that bet. Zak wants to know if they're still drinking or what.
5. Flashback to Kara and Zak before Lee arrives. Kara wants to know more about Lee. Zak says he's everything his father wanted him to be and Kara wants to know what that means. Zak says he's a soldier, a warrior inside and out. Kara says Zak is a soldier. Zak says next to Lee he's a kid playing dress-up. Zak says Lee's problem is he's so pissed at their father he can't see how alike they are. Kara's glad Zak's not like them, and Zak is her soldier.
Honestly, I really don't think Lee and Adama are at all alike and while I think he's an excellent soldier I do not think he's a warrior inside and out. But...there you go. Just my opinion.
And OY. I'm really tired now, so that's it folks!
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Date: 2009-06-01 11:33 pm (UTC)Re: Lee and Adama being alike...I think they both can be very stubborn, and self-centered at times, and cutting/cruel when they feel someone they love has disappointed them. The show tried to insinuate quite often that Lee was just like his father in both the military and the personal aspects (with their attraction to self-destructive alcoholic blondes in A Measure of Salvation) with varying degrees of success. Neither of them seem much alike and Zak seems like he comes from a different family altogether.
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Date: 2009-06-02 04:08 pm (UTC)I don't really see Lee and Adama as alike though. I know that the show tried to insinuate that similarity but I always felt it was far too forced the same way I always felt the show was trying to suggest that I should find Adama heroic instead of the idiotic ass I eventually decided that he was.
They are certainly both stubborn, but I think it's far more telling to look at what they are stubborn in service to. Adama is entirely self-centred in his value-sets, ideas of loyalty, and is stubborn when he doesn't get his way.
Lee is stubborn when he genuinely believes that there is a moral stand he needs to make. And it's rarely personal.
While yes, Lee can be a little petty and self-centred when he's hurting, I generally feel that he has a more...sane grasp of when someone's hurt him and when someone simply disagrees with him than Adama who takes everything personally. Lee has really only been self-centredly horribly about two people - Adama and Kara - both of whom he has very complicated familial relationships with and neither of whom have a great track record with regards to how they treat him either.
But then, I've never really seen Lee as a whiny Luke Skywalker type so I'm kind of in a fandom minority. :p (Not saying you do, just...it's a popular view!)
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Date: 2009-06-02 04:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-06-01 11:51 pm (UTC)Lee: *small smile, slightly teasing* So you don't think I'm quite ready.
Laura: You're ready *big smile* *pause* *patented Mary McDonnell heartbreaking delivery as Laura almost breaks* I'm not.
Oh. My. God.
I think I mostly want to hurt people for NOT INCLUDING THIS IN THE FIRST CUT, OH YOU STUPID BASTARDS!!!!!!! And then I wonder whether it would have made any difference, ultimately.
Laura and Baltar in the raptor during BotS also sort of makes me want to flap my hands a bit.
I think in some ways I'd rather not know that these things were here and were then cut out in favor of, well, most of the things they were cut out in favor of. It's harder to think about how easily it might have been just a little bit better. *sigh*
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Date: 2009-06-02 04:14 pm (UTC)I understand your ambivalence. In some ways I share it. But mostly, I think, since there was quite a lot of nice moments and relatively little fail here, it's nice that my last memories of watching "new" BSG are a little less fail-tinged. I didn't realise...how little Mary McDonnell got to really act or how much I missed it until I saw her break-down-but-not-really-while-smiling here. *snuffle*
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Date: 2009-06-02 12:26 am (UTC)Gaius is all, "Don't take the moral high ground with me, Laura." To which she responds, "MADAM PRESIDENT, Gaius, is that clear enough to your brain, or do I have to shine a light up your ass to see it?!"
At which point, defeated, Gaius rolls his eyes, takes his toys, and goes home, leaving Laura in the raptor to futily try and contact the Fleet again.
DID THAT REALLY HAPPEN OR ARE YOU TEASING ME? *kicks show so hard. SO FUCKING HARD.*
Edited to ask: Cavil dumps a drugged and completely out of it Tory in a seat
WHAT THE FRAK IS THIS CRAP? Gods. Let's not leave one cliched, gendered, questionable thing with squicky connotations unincluded. Wouldn't want to leave one out!
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Date: 2009-06-02 04:30 pm (UTC)The only place where I even slightly elaborated was the eyeroll, which might have just been a patented *I don't know whether to be exasperated or terrified* Gaius Face. But I mean, that's as good as an eyeroll, right?
To be honest, I didn't really notice that about Tory's scene. I mean, you're right, but I guess I was just so relieved and grateful to see a scene about Tory, and what's more, one where we are invited to feel sympathy for her (!) that I don't care? Also I kind of like the whole Cavil As Evil Jackass retcon so it was more of that?
Perhaps another of those moments ruined by the context of everything else *sigh*
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Date: 2009-06-02 12:43 am (UTC)MUST SEE THE SCENE WHERE ATHENA ADOPTS RANDOM SIX, LIKE, NOW. And the Roslin/Baltar awesomeness. And HeadSix's gorgeous and yet completely ridiculous dress. <3
Lee: *in this hilariously awkward, I'm-Being-Friendly-But-We-All-Know-I'm-Not tone* This is a significant reunion. We feel we should be here.
Ellen: In case we all join hands and shoot magic fireworks out of our asses?
*snerk*
I'm disappointed that the bit of Gina in "Daybreak" vaguely promised by the Prop Auction is not there. (There was a costume being auctioned that said it was from a deleted "Daybreak" scene where Boomer encounters Gina, pre-attacks and sleeper-agenting and everything. *helpless flail*)
Again, you rock for posting all this.
ETA: Anyway, Tigh wants to know what she's doing cus she shouldn't be "out here," I dunno. Out of her cage or whatever.
Eh, to be fair I'm sure it's equal parts "ohcrap, now I have to worry about you running into me and Ellen" and actual concern that she just got attacked for being in the wrong part of the ship.
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Date: 2009-06-02 04:36 pm (UTC)I am SO GLAD I am not the only one who loves the rigoddamndiculous dress.
And, wait, what? GINA WHAT?! Dammit, first no Ellen speech now they deprive me of GINA?! Being all sleeper agenty at Boomer?! This is unfair.
I'm hoping that maybe they're going to use it in The Plan? I know that they're using alternate shots and deleted scenes in it so...maybe? *crosses fingers* Unless it was never shot I can't think of any reason not to include it.
Eh, to be fair I'm sure it's equal parts "ohcrap, now I have to worry about you running into me and Ellen" and actual concern that she just got attacked for being in the wrong part of the ship.
Yeah, I confess I was being cranky and sarky at that point. And bitter that I no longer love Tigh with the crazy love I used to have for him. If pressed I think I'd even say that he was more concerned about her getting punked again.
And you're very welcome!
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Date: 2009-06-02 05:06 pm (UTC)*feels your pain omg* Now that I've (ahem) seen a couple of these scenes myself, I was guessing Gina was the one who met her at the academy. Although that doesn't quite wash with Gina being a civilian recruit, so I dunno.
Edit: Should you feel the urge to hook a sister up, one thing that has not made its way onto the internet yet is the WTF Grecian Dress scenes.
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Date: 2009-06-02 01:06 am (UTC)I hadn't reconsidered the scenes between Tyrol and Tory and Cally's view of their interactions in light of the revelation of a relationship between the two in their previous life. It makes Cally come off a slightly less irrational.
All the scenes you described from 'Deadlock' Ron discussed in the podcast and I thought at the time the footage would have helped the episode make a hell of a lot more sense.
In the deleted Kara/Zak scene do you think we are meant to accept Zak's description of Lee as accurate or that Zak, like Adama and so many people in Lee's life, don't know the real Lee Adama? It seems to contradict the other scene between all three of them. If Lee was the good soldier and just like his father, he never would have left the military - and he did.
I think Lee and Adama are more dissimilar than similar. Lee could be hurtful, but he'd only lash out after he was hurt and, not at all like Adama, he would immediately regret his actions. And he could be stubborn and opinionated, but it was always for what he believed to be for he greater good and survival of humanity.
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Date: 2009-06-02 04:54 pm (UTC)Well when I originally saw those scenes I kind of thought Tory was deliberately or subconsciously hitting on Chief so I didn't think Cally was totally irrational anyway, although she did clearly hallucinate some of the encounter from what she remembers in the airlock that didn't actually happen (though I can't remember offhand what that is) which still has me convinced there were some psychotic features to her depression. But yeah, it certainly made things pretty interesting in retrospect when you throw in that sense that once, they really did love each other.
As to the deleted Kara/Zak scene, I honestly don't know. It frustrates me because there are a fair number of things I am no longer sure what the show meant by and yeah, this is one of them. But I guess - and I confess this may be my somewhat cynical attitude of late - I think that yes, we are supposed to think that Zak is correct in his assessment. Of course, that plays against them talking about how Lee will never muster out and of course, he does. But then again, again the last episode is him returning to his military roots for one last fight.
I think the honest truth is that Moore would probably say he wasn't trying to provide answers one way or another. That Lee was correct in that he didn't want to stay in the military forever and that he did muster out but that Zak was correct in that he and his father were too similar to understand that fact or get along with each other.
I, of course, agree with you and think that they aren't particularly similar. Lee's subborness, as you say, is nearly always when taking a moral stand for reasons wider than himself, while Adama's is nearly always because he feels he's suffering some personal betrayal or upset. Lee lashes out, but usually in far more understandable circumstances, and not to nearly as many people. I've only really seen him lash out at Adama. Otherwise if he's upset he gets closed off and pissy. And while it's open to debate about whether that's more or less appealing or justified or whatever, the fact remains its'...not what Adama does at all.
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Date: 2009-06-03 03:30 am (UTC)I think you are right in what Ron would probably say. He likely wants to have it both ways, but it really doesn't work. Personally, I want to view Zak's remarks as being more about HIM than Lee. Though I doubt Lee ever saw it, I think he was the favored son. And it's easier for Zak to accept that if he tells himself it's because they are so much alike whereas the reality is Adama favored Lee not just because he was the good soldier, but also because he had a mind of his own and accomplished everything he did on his own without Adama's help.
I've only really seen him lash out at Adama.
Are you forgetting about or blocking out Kara? ;)
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Date: 2009-06-03 07:09 am (UTC)But I did forget the awesome punching scene in 1x12 and yes, that would count. I think I would say though, that Kara definitely counts as part of the wreckage of the Adama family which is Lee's biggest area of non-functioning, since Kara is really Adama's favourite son. And also is all tied up with Lee's feelings for Zak (especially, at least, during season one), which are in turn tied up with his anger towards his father. I kind of think he simultaneously wants Kara as a replacement for his brother (or to love her in place of his brother), and resents her for, well, everything she gets from his father and military life so easily.
I guess what I'm saying is I think that she fits into the one situation we've seen Lee lash out against. So while it's part of his character, it's an attribute that makes me remember how unsure of himself and vulnerable Lee often is, rather than, as it is with Adama, a generalised attitude toward the world when it does something that pisses him off?
CAN YOU SEE MY BIAS?! ;)
You have interesting ideas about Zak though. I think you might be right that this was how he handled not being the favoured son. And I do think that was Lee, yes. As you say, because he was so damn competant and good at what he did, which is something Adama respects and probably never bothered looking deeper to see that he wasn't really happy with it. So the surface fact that they are both soldiers and that Lee is so successful in his career translates easily into a belief that it's the career he really wants?
Oh and also, I agree completely with your assessment of why Lee joined the assault on the Colony; I was just hypothesising the different things the show might have been trying to say and was...devil's advocating alternate possibilities.
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Date: 2009-06-02 01:42 am (UTC)Thanks, much, Becca, as always!
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Date: 2009-06-02 05:13 pm (UTC)Also your icon is hilarious.
To be honest, the scenes didn't make me hate Helo at all, they just made me want to write endless reams of fic about him becoming the first Vicar of Baltarism and blissful home life with his lovely wife and daughters, Six and Hera. o_O
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Date: 2009-06-02 06:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-06-02 07:51 pm (UTC)Like, I didn't think it was because a) it doesn't look like her - I know that's ridiculous but...it doesn't it looks like a random Six and b) I'm not entirely sure what I make of it being Caprica in the context of this scene.
Mainly because there are all sorts of incredible overtones to this, not least the idea that Caprica has lost neither her religion nor sorrowful love of Baltar. And it seems somehow right that it's Caprica Athena is able to stand up in defence of.
That said, I have no idea why, particularly, she's there. If it's her own fear and disappointment - probably - or...well anything. I do wonder if this is partially a negative reaction to her later characterisation, but I think even if this hadn't been the case, Six in this scene is very much an object. We get one later shot of her watching Baltar intensely, which is lovely, but...in general, it's not from her perspective. And so again, I'm at sea as to her internal dialogue and either through context or through it being so extreme that we don't even know it's her this time, it steps just slightly over that edge of me being able to take her distance from us as characterisation and moves it into objectivisation?
Which doesn't negate that, OMG MAYBE SHE GOT AN ACTUAL OTHER SCENE IN THIS EPISODE?!
Because who else would it be? At this point, there isn't an alliance, and Caprica, as a recipient of the blanket amnesty, is now able, like the five, to move around Galactica, one would assume. But the same is not likely true for any other Cylon. And frankly, what other Cylon would know about Baltar's services or be brave enough to wander down there alone (no, strike that last bit, a Six would TOTALLY be brave enough and would do it just for the hell of it too).
But if it is Caprica, then it also explains how Baltar knew her later when she came for food if she was a quasi-regular member of his congregation.
Though again, they never spoke/had a scene with each other/wtf?
OH SHOW. :/
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Date: 2009-06-02 07:58 pm (UTC)Even if I still wish we got a single seen from her POV like...ever since the first half of S3.
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Date: 2009-06-02 08:17 pm (UTC)I agree with you times a million on that last sentence, but still. Gah, love. I love it being Caprica, who has every reason to be really confused about the crazycake world and her place in it, *especially* now, and would so try to connect to God or Gaius or both.
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Date: 2009-06-02 08:33 pm (UTC)I think what I most like is that despite the fact it's...yet again a scene where she's an object, it's about as close as 4.5 (or, really, the entirety of S4) comes to giving her a storyline that's NOT ABOUT TIGH.
And if Tigh is allowed to have drunken angst about his dead wife, then dammit, Caprica can have not-drunken angst about her narcissistic ex!
*continues sneaky plot to redeem that quadrangle of doom into awesome despite the fact the show eventually made if fail even worse the the S3 quadrangle and who the hell thought THAT would be possible.*
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Date: 2009-06-26 12:37 am (UTC)However, I felt like squeeing here really quickly! The Laura scenes in particular (I hope you get the missing things soon). :D
Actually, I was curious about what you thought of the deleted scene with Caprica getting those tea/herbs for her nausea (because I know of your fangirliness lol). My first thought upon seeing it was - was that the thing that killed Flipper? (;_;) Perhaps, it's because I am a highly suspicious person.
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Date: 2009-06-26 09:08 pm (UTC)Hoenstly, I think it's just cus you have a suspicious mind, or it'd be in the actual episode, but ARGH CYLON HATING DOGSVILLIANS! :p