BSG: I think they might need a chart to keep track of it... (Cylon Family Tree.)

[beccatoria]

Real thoughts and updates and such forthcoming. I liked this episode and decided to cheer myself up by making THIS:

A Cylon Family Tree, because I thought perhaps they might need a chart to keep track of it all. Cut-tag because it's a big image and also because it has...implied spoilers from Someone to Watch Over Me.




Notes:

1. Yeah, I know, Tory and Tyrol were never actually married, but it gave the thing a nice symmetry and they were a couple and all. It looks prettier, and way more incestuous this way.

2. No, I don't particularly buy into the idea that Sam somehow downloaded into Liam/Liam somehow downloaded into Sam so almost didn't include that link, but, I figured, HEY, MOAR LINES. Plus if it was true and then Sam Anders managed to be both Caprica Six's father and son, that would be lolarious.

3. Yes I know that Sam and Kara are married in addition to having frakked, but that would have been really hard to show on the tree with just an "=". Hence the red line and "=" compromise.

4. Yes. This entire family tree is basically an excuse to prove that Ellen Tigh is Laura's great-grandmother. Deal with it.

And now none of you have any excuse to be confused about who is related to whom.

/Public Service Announcement.

Comments

[kiki-miserychic.livejournal.com]

They've suggested that all the 7 models (1-6, 8) frakked when they were trying to procreate biologically too.

[beccatoria.livejournal.com]

Yes! I wanted to include that but the idea of trying to tie every one of them to every other one would have just been a huge mess of red lines so I sadly abandoned the plan and just stuck to relationships we saw on screen.

[kiki-miserychic.livejournal.com]

I love your frak lines. :)

[emmiere.livejournal.com]

Brilliant! So nice and clear now.

Yes. This entire family tree is basically an excuse to prove that Ellen Tigh is Laura's great-grandmother. Deal with it.

I see no problem with your logic.

[beccatoria.livejournal.com]

I see no problem with your logic.

Excellent. You may stay. ;)

[sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com]

OMG! You have a pic of Flip-- I mean Liam in there! *dies laughing*

[beccatoria.livejournal.com]

OBVIOUSLY. FLIPPER IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CYLON FAMILY AND SHALL NOT BE FORGOTTEN. *wails*

Also, he was impossible not to include if I was trying to make the whole thing look hilariously twisted.

[slybrarian.livejournal.com]

Hilarious. The only thing missing is some sort of "astoundingly creepy crush of DESTINY-FILLED RIVERS" between Leoben and Starbuck.

[beccatoria.livejournal.com]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! I did debate putting a frak line between Starbuck and Leoben but I wasn't sure that "Head Leoben," really counted. So yeah, it's shame. Perhaps there should instead be a blue line for "mystical connection"? I didn't want to do that though cus I thought the whole tying it to the show's vampiric and murderous treatment of infants was more hilarious/twisted. This could, of course, just be me...

[balistik94.livejournal.com]

Great idea! "Frakked" lmao. Although the Sharon that Tyrol and Cavil frakked (Boomer) is not the same Sharon that gave birth to Hera (Athena) but it's pretty acurate I might as well save this :)

[beccatoria.livejournal.com]

Glad you enjoyed it! ;)

And yes, they are different Eights. But I had little space on the chart and technically that would mean that the Final Five had 8 bajillion kids instead of just 8, so I decided to go...symbolic and conflate all the multiple copies with each other.

I was tempted to add an "Killed!" line too but I thought...that would just get insane. (Tigh&Ellen, Ellen&Liam, Six&Three, Kara&Leoben, Three&Cavil, Helo&Eight, Six&Six, Six&ENTIRE CYLON RACE...I'm sure I'm missing some...)

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

I've been thinking about that a lot, actually, since Ellen was all OMG, SHE'S YOUR DAUGHTER because a) she'd NOT, you just wrote her programming and picked what she looked like and b) YOU'RE A ROBOT.

Anyway, I also have thoughts like "Starbuck's fate is to be haunted by the son (Lee, Zak, Leoben) and in love with the father (Adama, Anders)." And I am not sure how I feel about it.

It does amuse me greatly, though, that half my flist is all OMG, IT'S MELROSE SPACE! and I am all IT'S ALL GREEK TO ME!

[beccatoria.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I kind of get what you mean. Cus like, how far does creating a sentient being make them your child? Can you choose to what degree that's true? Am I just impressing human expectations on that relationship?

But then again, is Ellen doing the same? Cus, you know, ROBOTS. And it's not like Tigh remembers.

Basically I agree it's MUCH more ALL GREEK TO ME than MELROSE SPACE. I kind of love the messy cylon family in its parallels to a pantheon of gods because the "incest" strikes me as very similar. It's like...not really so gross/an issue unless you need it to be for the story - i.e. the awesome twistedness of what Cavil did to Ellen where clearly his visual similarity to her father and her status as his creator are...definitely issues and creepy ones because of the way both of the characters react and think about it and why they did it.

But something like Tyrol/Boomer or Tigh/Caprica doesn't really bother me in anything like the same way. Or something. Anyway, now I'm actually seriously discussing my crack!family tree. Which is never a good sign.

I am fascinated by your point about Starbuck and the son/father split there. I'd TOTALLY never considered anything like that. I'm also not sure how I feel about it, but there's...definitely something interesting in that. I need to think about it more, definitely.

[frolicndetour.livejournal.com]

I love you.

it's not incest if they're gods right?

This is the only way I can deal with Sam being Kara's grandpa, as well as Six's father and maybe son. Oh, this show.

[beccatoria.livejournal.com]

YAY! :D

I'm glad you like it.

To be honest, I'm just so unbothered by the whole "incest" thing I'm probably abnormal. I have a totally "pick-and-choose," policy. So like, Ellen and Cavil is awesomely frakked up but that's largely because of the way they choose to identify each other and the reasons behind why Cavil did what he did.

The other FF/Non-FF Cylons doesn't bother me because...they didn't know. And it's Greek Godly.

I don't want to prioritise a biological view of family because family means so much more than that, and that's always been especially true in the text of this show. If Ellen says that the eight models are her children, then fine. They are. That's her choice/their choice. But there's also something to be said for the fact that they're not actually biologically related.

Whatever.

GREEK. IT'S GREEK.

[crystalizedfrog.livejournal.com]

I found a link to this...I just had to say how awesome it is. And also icon love!

[beccatoria.livejournal.com]

Hee! Thank you on both counts! The family tree was fun to make and I'm not sure who made the icon but it ought to be credited on my icon page! ;)